Mk V Supra - My Evo's Replacement?
Apr 22, 2023, 04:12 AM
#2536
Evolving Member
The Evo's purpose was to participate in homologated rally racing. The Zupra's purpose was to be a road course car so its no surprise that its faster on the road courses. If we're gonna be surprisedabout how much faster the Zupra is on the road course we must also acknowledge how much it would struggle on dirt/snow courses. Comparing the two is downright hilarious imo. I will give Mitsubishi credit where its due in that in built a car that overcame its setbacks through great engineerining and thats why Evo's are still somewhat competitive at tracks that it wasn't 100% designed for. There's a reason why z06's weren't compared back to back with Evo 8's back in the day.
Also, new cars are also tremendously more advanced. Aside from the chassis engineeringing, the B58 has direct injection that allows for high compression and along with its dual VVT and 8 speed transmission just outclasses even the most modified Evo's. The 4G63 and its available aftermarket drivetrains is a great combo for racing, but it has its limitations. Sure you can make anything fast these days with enough money, but you have to acknowledge that starting off with a new Zupra for the purpose of road racing with its purpose-built philosophy and decades of new tech offer a platform that is comparable to an Evo with about $100k of modifications baked in from the start.
Also, new cars are also tremendously more advanced. Aside from the chassis engineeringing, the B58 has direct injection that allows for high compression and along with its dual VVT and 8 speed transmission just outclasses even the most modified Evo's. The 4G63 and its available aftermarket drivetrains is a great combo for racing, but it has its limitations. Sure you can make anything fast these days with enough money, but you have to acknowledge that starting off with a new Zupra for the purpose of road racing with its purpose-built philosophy and decades of new tech offer a platform that is comparable to an Evo with about $100k of modifications baked in from the start.
Apr 22, 2023, 11:34 AM
#2537
The Evo's purpose was to participate in homologated rally racing. The Zupra's purpose was to be a road course car so its no surprise that its faster on the road courses. If we're gonna be surprisedabout how much faster the Zupra is on the road course we must also acknowledge how much it would struggle on dirt/snow courses. Comparing the two is downright hilarious imo. I will give Mitsubishi credit where its due in that in built a car that overcame its setbacks through great engineerining and thats why Evo's are still somewhat competitive at tracks that it wasn't 100% designed for. There's a reason why z06's weren't compared back to back with Evo 8's back in the day.
Also, new cars are also tremendously more advanced. Aside from the chassis engineeringing, the B58 has direct injection that allows for high compression and along with its dual VVT and 8 speed transmission just outclasses even the most modified Evo's. The 4G63 and its available aftermarket drivetrains is a great combo for racing, but it has its limitations. Sure you can make anything fast these days with enough money, but you have to acknowledge that starting off with a new Zupra for the purpose of road racing with its purpose-built philosophy and decades of new tech offer a platform that is comparable to an Evo with about $100k of modifications baked in from the start.
Also, new cars are also tremendously more advanced. Aside from the chassis engineeringing, the B58 has direct injection that allows for high compression and along with its dual VVT and 8 speed transmission just outclasses even the most modified Evo's. The 4G63 and its available aftermarket drivetrains is a great combo for racing, but it has its limitations. Sure you can make anything fast these days with enough money, but you have to acknowledge that starting off with a new Zupra for the purpose of road racing with its purpose-built philosophy and decades of new tech offer a platform that is comparable to an Evo with about $100k of modifications baked in from the start.
They seem to be doing well on road courses.
I do believe being rally-bred is why they do so well at Autocross.
Apr 22, 2023, 07:06 PM
#2538
EvoM Guru
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Originally Posted by kaj
Tell that to the WTAC guys. Oh and the guys at Professional Awesome.
They seem to be doing well on road courses.
I do believe being rally-bred is why they do so well at Autocross.
They seem to be doing well on road courses.
I do believe being rally-bred is why they do so well at Autocross.
Apr 22, 2023, 07:32 PM
#2539
It has about 100 more HP, but also weighs more. Slightly bigger front tires help.
I'm taking those numbers with a grain of salt because he bought it as a new platform to develop for. There's an incentive to hype it up and generate more interest.
Still a fast car in stock form. Those extra 400lbs are not insignificant, though.
Apr 23, 2023, 10:31 AM
#2544
First track day this season and first with the new aero. Well, I had Lime Rock last week but it rained all day so that doesn't count.
I dropped 2 secs off last seasons PB easy. Aero is kind of a mind F*ck. The car still has a ton more in it, I just didn't have my head 100% in the aero game yet. Almost every corner it would help I was chickening out, but it's what I expected for the first day out with it. Super stoked for the new potential of the car.
I also couldn't run my 20psi map. I tried in the first session but kept going into limp mode so I ran a 17psi map and it was solid all day. Tuning is a work in process.
I dropped 2 secs off last seasons PB easy. Aero is kind of a mind F*ck. The car still has a ton more in it, I just didn't have my head 100% in the aero game yet. Almost every corner it would help I was chickening out, but it's what I expected for the first day out with it. Super stoked for the new potential of the car.
I also couldn't run my 20psi map. I tried in the first session but kept going into limp mode so I ran a 17psi map and it was solid all day. Tuning is a work in process.
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Apr 23, 2023, 11:06 AM
#2545
Streets of willow is in 3 weeks if you want to do some 90 second laps. I'm going to try to make it out for the Saturday portion of it.
@RazorLab the aero is awesome! It took me until my 3rd session to really get it down and I'm sure I was still going too slow. I took my buddy for a ride for a session and his mind was blown, although he is coming from a Veloster n with good tires.
@RazorLab the aero is awesome! It took me until my 3rd session to really get it down and I'm sure I was still going too slow. I took my buddy for a ride for a session and his mind was blown, although he is coming from a Veloster n with good tires.
Apr 23, 2023, 11:13 AM
#2546
@RazorLab the aero is awesome! It took me until my 3rd session to really get it down and I'm sure I was still going too slow. I took my buddy for a ride for a session and his mind was blown, although he is coming from a Veloster n with good tires.
Apr 23, 2023, 08:37 PM
#2547
Streets of willow is in 3 weeks if you want to do some 90 second laps. I'm going to try to make it out for the Saturday portion of it.
@RazorLab the aero is awesome! It took me until my 3rd session to really get it down and I'm sure I was still going too slow. I took my buddy for a ride for a session and his mind was blown, although he is coming from a Veloster n with good tires.
@RazorLab the aero is awesome! It took me until my 3rd session to really get it down and I'm sure I was still going too slow. I took my buddy for a ride for a session and his mind was blown, although he is coming from a Veloster n with good tires.
That left me one, entire session to learn the track and squeeze out my best lap time. I could only do will enough for third place.
Huge disappointment for all the work, money, and time it took to get out there.
Funny thing is, they had the award ceremony before my third session. Now somebody has to call up the previous guy that got third place and let him know he actually didn't. 😂
