1993 Eagle Talon?
May 26, 2004, 03:28 PM
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1993 Eagle Talon?
Anyone here very familiar with a 1993 Eagle Talon? I wanted to know trim levels.. especially turbo.. and the engines in them... is it correct 4g63 is in them?
May 26, 2004, 03:42 PM
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TSI= 4G63 turbo FWD.
TSI= 4G63 turbo AWD
1st generation.I think the motors were rated at 195hp for that year. The early 93's had a 6 bolt flywheel while the later models had the 7 bolt like the 2nd generation cars. These cars do have a problem with crank walk when you stark getting into higher HP #'s. You can tell by the stamping on the oil pan. On the Talons both FWD and AWD turbo cars were labled as the TSI so if you buy one make sure you check and see what it is.
TSI= 4G63 turbo AWD
1st generation.I think the motors were rated at 195hp for that year. The early 93's had a 6 bolt flywheel while the later models had the 7 bolt like the 2nd generation cars. These cars do have a problem with crank walk when you stark getting into higher HP #'s. You can tell by the stamping on the oil pan. On the Talons both FWD and AWD turbo cars were labled as the TSI so if you buy one make sure you check and see what it is.
May 26, 2004, 04:14 PM
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The early 1G's 90,91,92 were less likley to have any kind of crank walk issues, but at this point to find one thats not been beat to death is nearly impossible. Whatever you can find with the lowest miles is gonna be your best bet in most cases.
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May 28, 2004, 12:00 AM
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I've owned 3, so I can help with this. If you want a nice fast car, thats a decent looking car inside and out, go for a 2G 95-98 car. But, if you just want a cheaper, not as nice looking, but just as fast car, go for the 1G 90-94 car. I've owned a 91 FWD, a 94 AWD, and my current 97 AWD. Like someone said, the AWD car is just called a TSi just like the FWD, nothing special like a GSX. But, if you look on the side of the car right behind the door, either on the b-pillar or down by the rocker panel, there will be a sticker that says "AWD" to tell you. On the 2G cars, it will have "TSi AWD" on the rear bumper. Or, if you want to be certain, just look under the rear bumper, and if you see a rear dif, you'll know for sure 
Both cars are basically the same speed stock. The 1G cars don't have as much power (195 for 1G - 210 for 2G), but they weigh less, so it evens out. Same 4G63 engine in both the 1G and 2G, but with little differences between them, like intake manifold, turbo, BOV, head...... To many to list, but generally, the early 1G engines are a bit better with mileage than a high mileage 2G. The crankwalk issue is a biatch, I know 1st hand. But, I've since '6-bolted' my car, and its run like a champ ever since (11.34@128
). Either way, really, you cant go wrong. I won't lie to you, DSM's like to break things if you want to go fast. But, if you keep it fairly stock, it should be fine. Nice thing is they've been around for a while now, and just about every problem has been covered before, and is easily diagnosed. I love to hate my car. Its real fast, but when it breaks something, I hate it more than anything. But, then once its fixed, I love it and forgive all its put me through 
Oh well. Just do your homework, and you'll be fine.
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Both cars are basically the same speed stock. The 1G cars don't have as much power (195 for 1G - 210 for 2G), but they weigh less, so it evens out. Same 4G63 engine in both the 1G and 2G, but with little differences between them, like intake manifold, turbo, BOV, head...... To many to list, but generally, the early 1G engines are a bit better with mileage than a high mileage 2G. The crankwalk issue is a biatch, I know 1st hand. But, I've since '6-bolted' my car, and its run like a champ ever since (11.34@128
). Either way, really, you cant go wrong. I won't lie to you, DSM's like to break things if you want to go fast. But, if you keep it fairly stock, it should be fine. Nice thing is they've been around for a while now, and just about every problem has been covered before, and is easily diagnosed. I love to hate my car. Its real fast, but when it breaks something, I hate it more than anything. But, then once its fixed, I love it and forgive all its put me through Oh well. Just do your homework, and you'll be fine.Hilg
May 28, 2004, 08:24 PM
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DSM's are the best. the 1g's are definately the way to go, I've owned over a half dozen and they're the best. The reason I prefer DSM's over any other car for serious performance is because of the internet community they provide (www.vfaq.com, dsmtalk.com, dsmtuners.com, dsmtrader.com, dsm.org, etc...) and the cheapness/availability of parts.
My 92 gsx is simply amazing, and despite what most others have found to be the case, the maintenance (i.e. broken parts) has been very minimal and mine is far from stock. I'm taking it to the track this sunday and expect solid 11's out of it. This is a daily driven car too.
Hilg has made an excellent point, on the weight differences between the two generations. Here's another breakdown from my point of view.
1g strengths
lighter, sleepers, cheaper initial investment, better blocks/ drivetrains (4 bolt rear end)
2g strengths
better handling, better exterior and interior
of course modified 2gs can eliminate most of the 1g strengths but 1g's will always be ugly
My 92 gsx is simply amazing, and despite what most others have found to be the case, the maintenance (i.e. broken parts) has been very minimal and mine is far from stock. I'm taking it to the track this sunday and expect solid 11's out of it. This is a daily driven car too.
Hilg has made an excellent point, on the weight differences between the two generations. Here's another breakdown from my point of view.
1g strengths
lighter, sleepers, cheaper initial investment, better blocks/ drivetrains (4 bolt rear end)
2g strengths
better handling, better exterior and interior
of course modified 2gs can eliminate most of the 1g strengths but 1g's will always be ugly
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and dont forget the best of em all www.dsmhorsepower.com
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Yea, I guess I shouldn't scare you like that. My 2G (AKA - Nightmare 
) is the only one that I've had big problems with. And, most of them were just by-products of lots of power making things break. That being the crankwalk and a TC consuming itself 
But, my other 2 before it just had the usual mileage related issues. The normal clutch, alternator, starter, blah blah. Granted, my other 2 were no where near as modified as my 2G, but oh well. That comes with the territory. These cars are real fun.
I guess you could call my car a sleeper, in a way. Its just a bone stock looking 97 AWD Talon on the outside. I have an Apexi GT exhaust and its lowered with H&Rs, but those 2 things are all you see on the outside. You'd never know its close to a 10-sec car, daily driver
The other nice benefit, at least for me, is that the AWD just comes up aces in the winter. I have a couple friends with a real fast '00 SS Camaro, a 93 R1 RX7, and a decently fast 93 TT 300Z. They are all real fast, but once the weather gets all doom and gloom, they put them up for the season. Not the Talon. She's a tank. I have a set of 98 GSX wheels with Blizzaks for the winter, and it gets around just as good as my womans Denali does. Thats just another benefit that these cars have.
Like I said before, just do your homework, and make sure to give the car a real good looking at before you get one. Most of the major probs will be noticeable with a test drive, or a decent visual inspection. Have fun, and don't hesitate to ask questions. Thats one thing you'll come to realize. The DSM community is very open, and always looking to help another owner.
Hilg
) is the only one that I've had big problems with. And, most of them were just by-products of lots of power making things break. That being the crankwalk and a TC consuming itself But, my other 2 before it just had the usual mileage related issues. The normal clutch, alternator, starter, blah blah. Granted, my other 2 were no where near as modified as my 2G, but oh well. That comes with the territory. These cars are real fun. I guess you could call my car a sleeper, in a way. Its just a bone stock looking 97 AWD Talon on the outside. I have an Apexi GT exhaust and its lowered with H&Rs, but those 2 things are all you see on the outside. You'd never know its close to a 10-sec car, daily driver
The other nice benefit, at least for me, is that the AWD just comes up aces in the winter. I have a couple friends with a real fast '00 SS Camaro, a 93 R1 RX7, and a decently fast 93 TT 300Z. They are all real fast, but once the weather gets all doom and gloom, they put them up for the season. Not the Talon. She's a tank. I have a set of 98 GSX wheels with Blizzaks for the winter, and it gets around just as good as my womans Denali does. Thats just another benefit that these cars have. Like I said before, just do your homework, and make sure to give the car a real good looking at before you get one. Most of the major probs will be noticeable with a test drive, or a decent visual inspection. Have fun, and don't hesitate to ask questions. Thats one thing you'll come to realize. The DSM community is very open, and always looking to help another owner.
Hilg
May 28, 2004, 11:02 PM
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a quick correction from info from above, the early 92's has the 6 bolt motors. form late 92 on the 7 bolt replaced the 6.
i love DSM's i currently have 15X,XXX miles on my 93 (edit: stock block/head/tranny)and still running STRONG and it is not stock. just make sure your on time with oil changes and maintence and everything should be fine!
i love DSM's i currently have 15X,XXX miles on my 93 (edit: stock block/head/tranny)and still running STRONG
and it is not stock. just make sure your on time with oil changes and maintence and everything should be fine!
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7-bolt = 
6-bolt =
To tell you the truth, nothing made me more happy than when my car finally caught the 'Walk'. I'd rather know its bad and fix it, than drive around wondering if/when its going to ruin my day. Ever since then, the new 6-er has been nothing but a champ. Gotta love it.
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6-bolt =
To tell you the truth, nothing made me more happy than when my car finally caught the 'Walk'. I'd rather know its bad and fix it, than drive around wondering if/when its going to ruin my day. Ever since then, the new 6-er has been nothing but a champ. Gotta love it.
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