desperado-c

FYI. In particular note the issue in torque braking the tranny. Apologies if it's a repost.

CHARACTERISTICS OF W6DGA, TWIN CLUTCH -SPORTRONIC SHIFT TRANSMISSION (TC-SST)
No: TSB-08-22-002
DATE: June, 2008
MODEL: 2008 Lancer Evolution, 2009 Lancer Ralliart
CIRCULATE TO:
[ ] GENERAL MANAGER
[ X ] PARTS MANAGER
[ X ] TECHNICIAN
[ X ] SERVICE ADVISOR
[ X ] SERVICE MANAGER
[] WARRANTY PROCESSOR
[ X ] SALES MANAGER
PURPOSE

This Technical Service Bulletin outlines some of the characteristics of the Twin Clutch-Sportronic Shift Transmission (TC-SST) to assist dealer staff in responding accurately to customer inquiries.
AFFECTED VEHICLE(S)

2008-on Lancer Evolution MR w/TC-SST
2009-on Lancer Ralliart w/TC-SST

DETAILS

Delay in Engine Shut Off After Turning the Ignition Switch to the OFF Position - There is a delay of 1 - 2 seconds for the engine to shut off after the ignition switch is turned to the OFF position. To allow quicker shifts, two gears are always engaged in this transmission. The delay during engine shut down allows the gears to fully disengage. This provides a smoother start up. If the gears remained engaged, the added resistance could lead to hard starting. As a note, the throttle will respond during this 1-2 second period. The transmission should not be shifted during this period.

Throttle Delay at Start Up - If the ambient temperature is very low (approx. -20o C, -4o F), engine speed is restricted to 3,000 rpm for approximately 3 seconds after starting, if the gearshift is in N and the brake pedal is not depressed. This is a normal characteristic. Transmission oil viscosity is very high in very cold temperatures and there is a slight possibility of clutch drag. Because gears are always pre-engaged in N, there is a slight possibility that the vehicle could move if the clutch drags.

Delayed Engagement from P - Due to the complex nature of the transmission, customers may experience longer gear engagement than they might initially expect. This is a normal characteristic.

Flashing "R" indicator on MID - When shifting into R (reverse position), the customer may notice the R in the MID flashing, indicating an unsuccessful shift. This may be due to gear blocking. The TC-SST is an automated manual transmission and occasional gear blocking is possible. If a customer complains of this condition, advise them to shift to a different gear and then retry reverse.

Transmission Gear Noise - As mentioned, 2 gears are always engaged at the same time. This means that the transfer gear is in contact with 2 gears and turning 2 shafts within the transmission. This multiple gear selection creates additional noise heard from the transmission when driving. Because gears are always pre-engaged in N, there is a certain amount of N gear rattle.

Harsh Shifting in Sport and Super Sport Modes - When in Sport or Supersport modes, the transmission shifts quicker than in Normal mode, and upshifts occur at higher RPM. This can cause a "shock" when shifts occur. This "shock" has been calibrated to provide a shift feed-back to the driver.

ECM Control Unit Enhancements - The control units for the engine and the transmission are individual units. The transmission control module (TCM) is located inside the transmission and communicates continuously with the engine control module (ECM) through the Controller Area Network (CAN). Information regarding engine RPM, throttle opening, and output torque are monitored by the TCM to optimize gear shifts. The TCM looks for specific values from the ECM in order to accomplish precise shifts and under some driving conditions, the TCM commands the ECM. Modifying the engine control module or its software, or adding performance equipment (e.g. camshafts, turbocharger, exhaust), may seriously affect the performance and operation of the the engine and/or transmission.

Power Braking (Applying the brake and throttle at the same time) - The gear sets of the TC-SST are like those in a manual transmission, but with hydraulic gear and clutch actuation. It features an automated mode where the gears are shifted automatically under the control of a computer. Power is transferred from the engine through clutches like a manual transmission as opposed to through a torque convertor like an automatic transmission. The clutches in the TC-SST are wet-type and located inside the transmission. When power braking an automatic transmission, the clutches within the transmission are fully engaged and the fluid coupling of the torque convertor allows slippage between the engine and transmission. While this does increase automatic transmission oil temperature, there is no slippage of the clutches themselves. The clutches in the TC-SST function more like a manual transmission clutch. If you power brake, the ECM communicates the increase in engine RPM to the TCM, which begins to apply the clutches. This causes them to slip, leading to elevated transmission oil temperature. If the oil overheats, a warning will appear on the Multi-Information Display (MID). Power braking will shorten the life of the clutches.

eg6motion

I suspected that would happen with the clutches. C&D should post that after their test of the Ralliart as people will read that thinking the car really does 5 second 0-60 times. Really sucks they didn't include Super Sport mode with the Ralliart.

Evo Tengoku

iTrader: (22)

Good read.

VincentX

It really does because it did. That's like saying that an Evo IX can't really do a 4 second 0-60 because you launched the car by dropping or slipping the clutch. Launching a standard manual car will also shorten the life of a clutch. It's never recommended by any manufacturer to launch a vehicle.

otter

iTrader: (14)

Odd, they designed it to shift less smoothly when the driver is doing the shifting? That's silly.

sabastian458

iTrader: (25)

nice info.

hibby

As I understand it, what this actually means is that the car shifts harshly in Sport/SuperSport in both auto AND manual modes. I think they're saying the modes are just designed to provide a very firm shift.

eg6motion

A clutch is a wearable part, designed to take that force. The SST tranny is not. To me, obtaining a 0-60 time via a method that the car was not meant to do is asking for trouble, and in some ways...a false time. but thats just my .02

08EvoXGSR

^ +1...and I dont think I;ve ever been asked to race to 60. 0-60 is a little bit of a numbers queen stat. Figure your 1/4 times if you're building/modding for that-or track/skid pads for auto x, ect.
Keep in mind....this isnt an all out beat on it race car. Its an upgraded commuter. Think Mazdaspeed 3-there great for what they are-but there are other (insert better) options out there (but you have to spend for them).

VincentX

Of course not. Same with your Evo X, but it's closer to an all out beat on it race car than the Ra, though.

I'm not that concerned to what it can do stock (Stock wise, it's good enough), what I really want to see is how well it responds to handling and power mods.

VincentX

Read my first quote in this post and read my post that you quoted again. The twin clutches are the parts designed to take that force as you would say.

100$ GUY

Well said vincent.

VincentX

The bad thing is when one part breaks in TC-SST you have to replace the whole thing. I'm not into drag racing so I won't have a need to launch it. I'll just be using it as a daily driver and take it to my nearby road course for track days.

dklau33

+1. I can respect drag racing but the road course is where it's at for me. The RA will be my occasional track day car since my 350Z will be my main track car.

robi

iTrader: (24)

I'm testing a RA and did get the tranny to show the STOP THAT trans icon when trying a few launches.. at the track the TC-SST is GREAT! but because the RA doesn't have a SS mode so manuel shifting gave the best track times. (and MUCH BETTER/ SMOOTHER than I could have done it.)