Brake Pads
Feb 3, 2007, 04:53 AM
#31
The DTCs wear great. I actually got 5 events out my last set of front DTC70s.
Here's a list of the tracks, track miles, and tires used to give you an idea of how much use I got out of them. Hardest on brakes was Laguna Seca, then Thunderhill, then Infineon. I'm guessing that if I used the DTCs at just Laguna, they'd probably only last 2-3 days.
Thunderhill 143.1 RA1
Infineon 88.9 RA1
Infineon 132.9 RA1
Thunderhill 102.3 Azeni
Laguna 119.8 RA1
And I've had the same set of DTC60s in the rear for my last 8 events. They're probably good for another 2-3 events.. maybe more.
Here's a list of the tracks, track miles, and tires used to give you an idea of how much use I got out of them. Hardest on brakes was Laguna Seca, then Thunderhill, then Infineon. I'm guessing that if I used the DTCs at just Laguna, they'd probably only last 2-3 days.
Thunderhill 143.1 RA1
Infineon 88.9 RA1
Infineon 132.9 RA1
Thunderhill 102.3 Azeni
Laguna 119.8 RA1
And I've had the same set of DTC60s in the rear for my last 8 events. They're probably good for another 2-3 events.. maybe more.
Last edited by marksae; Feb 3, 2007 at 04:57 AM.
Feb 3, 2007, 06:58 AM
#33
The DTCs wear great. I actually got 5 events out my last set of front DTC70s.
Here's a list of the tracks, track miles, and tires used to give you an idea of how much use I got out of them. Hardest on brakes was Laguna Seca, then Thunderhill, then Infineon. I'm guessing that if I used the DTCs at just Laguna, they'd probably only last 2-3 days.
Thunderhill 143.1 RA1
Infineon 88.9 RA1
Infineon 132.9 RA1
Thunderhill 102.3 Azeni
Laguna 119.8 RA1
And I've had the same set of DTC60s in the rear for my last 8 events. They're probably good for another 2-3 events.. maybe more.
Here's a list of the tracks, track miles, and tires used to give you an idea of how much use I got out of them. Hardest on brakes was Laguna Seca, then Thunderhill, then Infineon. I'm guessing that if I used the DTCs at just Laguna, they'd probably only last 2-3 days.
Thunderhill 143.1 RA1
Infineon 88.9 RA1
Infineon 132.9 RA1
Thunderhill 102.3 Azeni
Laguna 119.8 RA1
And I've had the same set of DTC60s in the rear for my last 8 events. They're probably good for another 2-3 events.. maybe more.
Whoa. Thats good? Ouch.
A normal track day for me is 180-200 miles, and i'd honestly say i get 7 or more days outta the pf97's. Whats the average cost of the 70's?
Feb 3, 2007, 08:25 AM
#35
Don't really have fade, unless i'm in traffic and braking off my normal spots, riding them longer for slower cars, etc.
I'm looking into the ducts i guess.
With little pad life left on the 2nd set of 97's i did totally disentgrate them on the club course @ sebring. I had pedal fade, pulled it off, and actually had lost a little bit of the corner of the pad, and was just starting to grind backing plate. I pulled the rest of the pads out, and the compound simply fell off in chunks
hehe, whoops, little hot.
Feb 3, 2007, 08:53 AM
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I am a carbotech fan right now, having been through a couple other brand pads before. I do have a little bit of a problem with the XP12's at Road America, probably one of the hardest tracks on brakes in the country... but I get to try something new this season... a set of XP16's!
Carbotech told me its their new prototype pad for tracks like Road America, where you have such heavy braking zones. It should be interesting to see how they fair.
Carbotech told me its their new prototype pad for tracks like Road America, where you have such heavy braking zones. It should be interesting to see how they fair.
Feb 3, 2007, 09:01 AM
#37
But I'm staying away from PF pads after my experience w/ their brake dust. I did a track day in the rain w/ the PF 95.7 pads and the dust cemented onto my wheels instantly. The dust from the DTC60/70 pads can get wet and still be washed off a week later.
Brake cooling should help w/ wear. Here's a pic I took of my caliper. Notice the color gradient.
The outside of the caliper is obviously getting hotter. When I inspected the calipers last, the piston dust seals on the inside were in much better shape.
Feb 3, 2007, 09:57 AM
#38
Well, mileage doesn't tell the whole story. It really depends on course layout. I don't think I get as many on-track minutes as you either. But it does sound like the PF97s are better in terms of wear.
But I'm staying away from PF pads after my experience w/ their brake dust. I did a track day in the rain w/ the PF 95.7 pads and the dust cemented onto my wheels instantly. The dust from the DTC60/70 pads can get wet and still be washed off a week later.
Brake cooling should help w/ wear. Here's a pic I took of my caliper. Notice the color gradient.
The outside of the caliper is obviously getting hotter. When I inspected the calipers last, the piston dust seals on the inside were in much better shape.
But I'm staying away from PF pads after my experience w/ their brake dust. I did a track day in the rain w/ the PF 95.7 pads and the dust cemented onto my wheels instantly. The dust from the DTC60/70 pads can get wet and still be washed off a week later.
Brake cooling should help w/ wear. Here's a pic I took of my caliper. Notice the color gradient.
The outside of the caliper is obviously getting hotter. When I inspected the calipers last, the piston dust seals on the inside were in much better shape.
Now THATS a picture worth a thousand words. Nice stuff! That from the forge kit, or whatcha using?
I try to keep my wheels washed within 2-3 days of an event, and haven't had any foul recourse, even in wet conditions. Simple wipe-off with a soapy rag and they're good to go.
Feb 3, 2007, 10:05 AM
#39
Hmm.. maybe it's just the dust w/ the 95.7 compound that has the problem. I might have to try those PF pads some time if they last that long.
I had the Forge kit for 3 track days but took it off because the tubes made everything on my car too hard to work on. I was always constantly worried that the tubes would get caught on the wheels or by something on the ground. So I decided simplicity was better and went w/ the factory air scoops. I've always had my dust shields in place too.
I had the Forge kit for 3 track days but took it off because the tubes made everything on my car too hard to work on. I was always constantly worried that the tubes would get caught on the wheels or by something on the ground. So I decided simplicity was better and went w/ the factory air scoops. I've always had my dust shields in place too.
Last edited by marksae; Feb 3, 2007 at 10:11 AM.
Feb 3, 2007, 10:52 AM
#40
Hmm.. maybe it's just the dust w/ the 95.7 compound that has the problem. I might have to try those PF pads some time if they last that long.
I had the Forge kit for 3 track days but took it off because the tubes made everything on my car too hard to work on. I was always constantly worried that the tubes would get caught on the wheels or by something on the ground. So I decided simplicity was better and went w/ the factory air scoops. I've always had my dust shields in place too.
I had the Forge kit for 3 track days but took it off because the tubes made everything on my car too hard to work on. I was always constantly worried that the tubes would get caught on the wheels or by something on the ground. So I decided simplicity was better and went w/ the factory air scoops. I've always had my dust shields in place too.
Yeah, when you do, make sure you order from a place like hoerr racing. If you call buschur and ask for 97's, you'll end up with a different pad. Ask me how i know
You still have the kit? or did you get rid of it, i fear i'm going to be the same as you, worried about it hitting/clearing stuff, but for now, it's about the last thing i can do.
Feb 3, 2007, 11:03 AM
#41
I sold the kit a while back. I'd recommend just going w/ the factory scoops. Simplicity is the key! If you go w/ the ducts, you pretty much need to get rid of all your splash shields and undertray to get enough clearance for the tubes and that was a compromise I wasn't willing to make on my street car.
I'll probably order the pads from raceshopper.com. I've ordered pads from them many times and never had an issue.
If you go w/ the ducts, you pretty much need to get rid of all your splash shields and undertray to get enough clearance for the tubes and that was a compromise I wasn't willing to make on my street car.I'll probably order the pads from raceshopper.com. I've ordered pads from them many times and never had an issue.
Feb 3, 2007, 11:14 AM
#42
I sold the kit a while back. I'd recommend just going w/ the factory scoops. Simplicity is the key! If you go w/ the ducts, you pretty much need to get rid of all your splash shields and undertray to get enough clearance for the tubes and that was a compromise I wasn't willing to make on my street car.
I'll probably order the pads from raceshopper.com. I've ordered pads from them many times and never had an issue.
If you go w/ the ducts, you pretty much need to get rid of all your splash shields and undertray to get enough clearance for the tubes and that was a compromise I wasn't willing to make on my street car.I'll probably order the pads from raceshopper.com. I've ordered pads from them many times and never had an issue.
Just make sure of what they give you, as the 1001-10's ( i think is the number) is a similar pad, same life, etc, but just doesn't have the initial bite of a true 97, however the pads themselves.... have a yellow 97 painted on them. 100% deciving.
If you get a backing plate with your pads, you've got the 1001-10's. true 97's don't have one, because as the pf rep said "it's an endurance pad, they want all the pad they can get in there" After the first track day, you can slip a backing plate in though, once they're worn a touch.
Feb 3, 2007, 10:11 PM
#43
I've already got those. My fenderliners are competely gone in the front, and i'm not running an undertray (likely to change).
Just make sure of what they give you, as the 1001-10's ( i think is the number) is a similar pad, same life, etc, but just doesn't have the initial bite of a true 97, however the pads themselves.... have a yellow 97 painted on them. 100% deciving.
If you get a backing plate with your pads, you've got the 1001-10's. true 97's don't have one, because as the pf rep said "it's an endurance pad, they want all the pad they can get in there" After the first track day, you can slip a backing plate in though, once they're worn a touch.
Just make sure of what they give you, as the 1001-10's ( i think is the number) is a similar pad, same life, etc, but just doesn't have the initial bite of a true 97, however the pads themselves.... have a yellow 97 painted on them. 100% deciving.
If you get a backing plate with your pads, you've got the 1001-10's. true 97's don't have one, because as the pf rep said "it's an endurance pad, they want all the pad they can get in there" After the first track day, you can slip a backing plate in though, once they're worn a touch.