Silver State Classic Road Rally
Apr 10, 2007, 11:21 PM
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Silver State Classic Road Rally
So I'm sure there is someone here familiar with the Silver State Classic Road Rally. Flat out 90 mile run on a public highways (its closed off for the race and well maintained for cars to do over 200mph). Think of it like a bracketed road race, you chose a target speed class, 110mph is the highest a rookie can do. You're goal is to try and average 110mph from start to finish. However, there are a few turns, and its from a dead start, to offset this you're allowed an over target tech speed, for the 110 class this would be 124mph (you're clocked by off duty PD at certain points to make sure you stick to your tech speed), this is determined a lot by your safety equipment. ANYWAYS, on to the question, how do you guys think the EVO would do in an event like this? I would want to move on to the 130mph class, so we're talking averages of 110-145mph. Its not like road racing where you have some long straights were you are really going *****-out but slow for lots of turns and such, you're going ***** out for well over 70 miles, high RPM, high speed, high boost, top gears in the Nevada heat. Can the 4G63 handle this? Plan of attack would be tuning the car to be at its best in the upper range, so cams, gears, valve train and ECU work, lots of cooling system upgrades, and of course aero body work.
Apr 11, 2007, 07:35 PM
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Oh yeah, I know about the SS. I've never ben there, but I watched a few things on it. My mother has a place outside Phoenix, and I would love to get my car or another (rented Vette) and go tear it up. My buddy and I talk about it all the time. Unfortunetly I don't have the means to do so st this time. Anyway, as far as the Evo competing, I would think it would be a great car. I would definetly do some aero work, front splitter, rear diffuser, cannards... I also think the 4g would be up to the task, cooling would be my biggest concern. Along with the proper gearing, you don't want to go turning 6k rpm for 90 miles. I would talk to some people with experience in running the SS and see what they commend.
Apr 12, 2007, 08:16 PM
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yea, its not about who is fastest. its not easy to nail that 110 class. your goal is hit the time it would take to run the entire 90 miles as if it were a straight line doing 110 for the whole race. when you figure in the dead start, and the curves...you've got your work cut out for you.
the road i believe is H-318 just north of Las Vegas
the road i believe is H-318 just north of Las Vegas
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This sounds easy, but it can put a ton of stress on your car. Think about running at red line for 50 minutes straight and you get an idea. At 110, you'll be able to keep it a little lower.
A friend of mine is one of only two guys to average over 200 mph for the race. Imagine what that feels like.
A friend of mine is one of only two guys to average over 200 mph for the race. Imagine what that feels like.
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I am currently rebuilding my Celica IT car for this event, for the last bunch of years for the event sometime in the future.
I always figured that the EVO would do well in the 120mph bracket. The EVO should be able to be very competitive in the 110mph bracket bone stock!
A buddy of mine won the 120mph bracket a couple of years ago in a 9? Camaro SS.
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I always figured that the EVO would do well in the 120mph bracket. The EVO should be able to be very competitive in the 110mph bracket bone stock!
A buddy of mine won the 120mph bracket a couple of years ago in a 9? Camaro SS.
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a lot of people are missing the point.. a stock car is competetive in ANY bracket as long as the gearing is ok.
winning the 85 mph class is just as hard as the 120 class.. its all about your math skillz.
its a rally.. winning is about averages.. now if youre in it for fun, run a 150+ class
winning the 85 mph class is just as hard as the 120 class.. its all about your math skillz.
its a rally.. winning is about averages.. now if youre in it for fun, run a 150+ class
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I do not agree.
Gearing is very very important but what would make the Evo well suited in my mind is that it will be able to take the few turns better without needing to slow as much. If you can set it at 110 and forget it the math is real easy. If you need to drop to 60 to take a turn and take forever to get back up to speed because your ford escort is geared like a land speed car you don't stand a chance.
So yea, gearing is big but the Evo bone stock is going to be capable of doing well up into the 120 area. After that you need to think about keeping it cool and together. Safety issues also start getting a bit sticky in my mind as your top speeds could get up there a bit.
Gearing is very very important but what would make the Evo well suited in my mind is that it will be able to take the few turns better without needing to slow as much. If you can set it at 110 and forget it the math is real easy. If you need to drop to 60 to take a turn and take forever to get back up to speed because your ford escort is geared like a land speed car you don't stand a chance.
So yea, gearing is big but the Evo bone stock is going to be capable of doing well up into the 120 area. After that you need to think about keeping it cool and together. Safety issues also start getting a bit sticky in my mind as your top speeds could get up there a bit.
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wow you guys are being a great help! 110mph will be the first class as this is the max allowed for a rookie racer. after i have safely completed one event, I could move up classes. i think the 120 to 130 range is my ultimate goal
i dont think it will be a cakewalk by ANY means. you can't just set it and forget it. there are quite a few places were slowing down is inevitable, not to mention the start. for an example, a writer from SS in this months issue thought it would be a cake walk. after the start and going into his first marker, he was already 18 seconds behind his projected time! it sounds very simple, and of course its not rocket science, but a lot of math will have to be done to account for all parts of the race that are not straight
i dont think it will be a cakewalk by ANY means. you can't just set it and forget it. there are quite a few places were slowing down is inevitable, not to mention the start. for an example, a writer from SS in this months issue thought it would be a cake walk. after the start and going into his first marker, he was already 18 seconds behind his projected time! it sounds very simple, and of course its not rocket science, but a lot of math will have to be done to account for all parts of the race that are not straight
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Go to special stage (the rally website) and try to hook up with a codriver who could put you onto all the tips and secrets you will need to know to make your first run a good one.
The most simple way would be to calculate mile markers and figure how many seconds it should take to get to each one. If you plot it out and know that you must hit mile marker 263 at 14:30 and you're there 10 seconds late you know you need to step it up. If your too fast back off a bit. This will most likely make it hard to cross at close to exact but it could be close enough for your first time out and get you on the minute anyway.
The most simple way would be to calculate mile markers and figure how many seconds it should take to get to each one. If you plot it out and know that you must hit mile marker 263 at 14:30 and you're there 10 seconds late you know you need to step it up. If your too fast back off a bit. This will most likely make it hard to cross at close to exact but it could be close enough for your first time out and get you on the minute anyway.
Apr 16, 2007, 09:45 PM
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To answer the original question this is a 90 mile dyno pull and yes a 4G63 can do it especially running lower rpm that it would take to run in the 110 class. Let's assume a GSR with stock height or 255's. If it were me I would run BIG, but thats not the point.
4.52 with .72 OD 5th = 3.2544
Run that through the magic calculator for our max tech speed and average speed:
110= 4698 rpm with a 25.6" tall tire, 124 = 5296 rpm
switch to a 255-40 (25")
110= 4811 rpm, 124 = 5423 rpm
CAKE either way as far as the engine is concerned. The main thing is having enough fuel for the event, and I think with the stock tank you would be pushing it as far as mileage.
4.52 with .72 OD 5th = 3.2544
Run that through the magic calculator for our max tech speed and average speed:
110= 4698 rpm with a 25.6" tall tire, 124 = 5296 rpm
switch to a 255-40 (25")
110= 4811 rpm, 124 = 5423 rpm
CAKE either way as far as the engine is concerned. The main thing is having enough fuel for the event, and I think with the stock tank you would be pushing it as far as mileage.