unreal. this thread ftw.

 

People are always gonna what if...unforunately it seems to be part of racing. I for one could really care less about it. From what ive been told the Hks would not be allowed to compete in RTA...I could be wrong and if i am i apologize.
Leh im not out to attack you either and i dont think you are bashing AMS...but i get a little butt hurt when i think people are trying to discredit me for no reason. If that wasn't your intention i apologize because i took it the wrong way.

 

I think it would be interesting to see the fight with unrestricted CTSV. I think it can cut 3 seconds of its time by going to sticky tires and taking off the TB restrictor and RPM alone. Not to mentioned they can easily make the car 300 lbs lighter.

A friend of mine is trying to buy one. We'll see when the he gets it.

 

i'm confused. so the HKS car runed on different inspection and rules?
Or how was it orgenized? They where here just for show, so wasn't offical?
Or if was offical ,how they made it thru the inspection?
i kind of lost here.

 

Yeah... so... they also don't have to meet the 92db rule eighter.

 

Let alone the fact that it's a factory funded race car......

Scorke

 

Relax, dude.

IIRC, the AMS TA car was built to comply with NASA TTU regs, not the (Redline) correction: Super Lap/Super Street unlimited class. Kudos to AMS for deciding to run anyways. Maybe if they decide to run TATOO in TTR next year, they'll be a little bit closer to the HKS Evo.

l8r)

 

OK, but that still does nothing to explain why the HKS car was sopposedly not allowed at the RTA race as has been claimed here many times.

...and yes, major kudos to AMS as always!

 

The only possible kicker I can see for Redline is: "- Use of DOT legal tires is required. Tire manufacturer UTQG tread wear rating of less than 50 permitted for Unlimited Class. Non-DOT approved Race Slicks are not permitted." That might DQ the tires HKS was running. Can't see anything other than that, though.

l8r)

 

since my question is not answered yet ,seems to me to much if and but here...
the HKS won big time ,so what? Some of you guys actually really thought the AMS will beat the HKS car on road track? As far as i know the AMS famous from drag racing. Wich is like american football .Only in america where is a big thing.
I'm sure in 1/4 mile the HKS will loose against AMS.
Everybody have they own profession. The road race and rally... for us, is a long way to go.
Is not going to happen overnight for sure. Whp is not everything.

 

Well it's about time I stick my ugly mug in here. Rules seem to be changing quickly in this rapidly evolving sport. As of last year, when we built the car, the rules didn't allow for suspension pickup point changes, now they do. The rules for this year would allow the HKS CT230 to compete in the Redline Time Attack. I don't think it's fair they could run a custom tire that is not available to use here. On a 3 lap battle a sticky qual tire could be worth up to 1 second! Find 1 second in power and chassis, it's going to to cost a lot of time and money for us to find 1 second let me tell you.

 

FYI, here is my best pic of the HKS tire which claims to be a A048 and has similar tread style. Otherwise, the markings are diff than on my A048s and I DIDN'T see a DOT stamp....

http://jcmotophoto.smugmug.com/galle...221454574-A-LB

BTW Rob, both the Superlap and RTA rules are pretty much wide open. The only meaningful rule, as Ludi pointed out, is in regard to the tires when at a RTA event. I'm not sure about the Superlap tire rules if any. And yes, the HKS won fair and square and should have also raced the RTA race at Laguna the following weekend, even if that meant using legit tires.

 

that is defenietly unfair, if they let them run tires here, what you can't have.
But still even, and let be honest about that ,if you run a same tires ...
I think we have to give credit for HKS for that time. I'm sure it has lot to do with the tires and suspension, but i think they would be still faster. Just because they more experienced overall. I would call this track event the big mile stone ,since you guys find a real competitor for yourself and that will give you wings ! Not when you always win.
Remember? " The Spirit of Competition"
big thumbs up for you guys!!!!

 

I'm a little apprehensive about building a full unlimited car as it could be a huge wasted effort if some rule changes and make the car illegal. We've thought about this and there is so much we can do but again, the rules need to be established and at least somewhat solid so we don't have to built a new car every year. Also not every manufacturer has an autocross compound tire, which is a big advantage in a qual (time attack) situation. A regular R compound needs at least 1 laps if not more to come up to temp, so you'll get your best lap on the 2nd and probably 3rd lap, which is the end of the session. With an Auto-x compound, all three laps should be great.

I would suggest a tire rule with specific allowed tires. And competitors durometer tested once the car comes off the track (at a specific temp). Just some thoughts here.

BTW, Leh, the tires were sticky, they felt very soft when cold and I saw a few sets that where blistered from the few sessions they ran. Again no excuses, just one of the difference. The HKS car is very serious car and has a lot of trick components on it, modified suspension geometry, and very light. Very impressive car and I have much respect for it and the team.

 

Oh trust me there was lot more to them running that fast than the tire I'm just making a point about the tires. We were sponsored by Toyo last year and even though the R888 was DOT legal in Japan we were told we could not run it in at any Time Attack event last year, including the Lap Battle.

We love competition and its' great racing against GST, TopSpeed, JIC, Factor-X, and other top rated teams pushing each other to their limits.