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2009 Formula 1 Discussion
#122
I don't really like the wins thing. It completely changes the strategy, no longer rewarding consistent quality finishes. I would be OK with giving more points to winning (say, 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1).
#123
I don't know, NASCAR does a pretty good job of keeping its rule book "fluid".
I don't really like the wins thing. It completely changes the strategy, no longer rewarding consistent quality finishes. I would be OK with giving more points to winning (say, 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1).
I don't really like the wins thing. It completely changes the strategy, no longer rewarding consistent quality finishes. I would be OK with giving more points to winning (say, 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1).
But Bernie and Max don't think so. These rules change everything. Drivers will take more risks. There will probably be more intentional and unintentional crashouts. Massa will end up spinning anyone in his way a few more times during the season. It's going to look like Nascar.
I know its not motorcycles, but in MotoGP and WSBK, you will see more safe faring to faring or wheel to wheel combat and aggressive passing than in any other sport. They still use the point system and they use it effectively.
Last edited by NoTec; Mar 18, 2009 at 06:25 AM.
#124
I think the wins thing will improve the quality of the races. Instead of all the cars coasting to the finish after their last pit, they will actually have motivation to try and chase a car down. Mid pack has always been pretty aggressive all the way to the line and the rules didn't really change for them.
#125
More on the Brawn GP rear diffuser saga.
It seams that Renault may have valid reason to be upset at the fact that Brawn GP, Williams , and Toyota have violated FIA diffuser guidelines. To add more confusion to the mix, their front wing is being scrutinized also. This is going to be a fun and hectic Australian GP!!!
Rear Diffuser rule:
(Amendment bolded)
3.12.7 No bodywork which is visible from beneath the car and which lies between the rear wheel centre line and a point 350mm rearward of it may be more than 175mm above the reference plane.
Any intersection of the surfaces in this area with a lateral or longitudinal vertical plane should form one continuous line which is visible from beneath the car.
A single break in the surface is permitted solely to allow the minimum required access for the device referred to in Article 5.15.
Additionally, any bodywork in this area must produce uniform, solid, hard, continuous, rigid (no degree of freedom in relation to the body/chassis unit), impervious surfaces under all circumstances.
Seeing how the word "and" is used instead of "or" in the first amended area, one could wonder if that means the illegal part has to satisfy all of the criteria to be deemed illegal? Sneaky sneaky....
It seams that Renault may have valid reason to be upset at the fact that Brawn GP, Williams , and Toyota have violated FIA diffuser guidelines. To add more confusion to the mix, their front wing is being scrutinized also. This is going to be a fun and hectic Australian GP!!!
Rear Diffuser rule:
(Amendment bolded)
3.12.7 No bodywork which is visible from beneath the car and which lies between the rear wheel centre line and a point 350mm rearward of it may be more than 175mm above the reference plane.
Any intersection of the surfaces in this area with a lateral or longitudinal vertical plane should form one continuous line which is visible from beneath the car.
A single break in the surface is permitted solely to allow the minimum required access for the device referred to in Article 5.15.
Additionally, any bodywork in this area must produce uniform, solid, hard, continuous, rigid (no degree of freedom in relation to the body/chassis unit), impervious surfaces under all circumstances.
Seeing how the word "and" is used instead of "or" in the first amended area, one could wonder if that means the illegal part has to satisfy all of the criteria to be deemed illegal? Sneaky sneaky....
Last edited by NoTec; Mar 18, 2009 at 09:14 AM.
#127
I agree.
But Bernie and Max don't think so. These rules change everything. Drivers will take more risks. There will probably be more intentional and unintentional crashouts. Massa will end up spinning anyone in his way a few more times during the season. It's going to look like Nascar.
I know its not motorcycles, but in MotoGP and WSBK, you will see more safe faring to faring or wheel to wheel combat and aggressive passing than in any other sport. They still use the point system and they use it effectively.
But Bernie and Max don't think so. These rules change everything. Drivers will take more risks. There will probably be more intentional and unintentional crashouts. Massa will end up spinning anyone in his way a few more times during the season. It's going to look like Nascar.
I know its not motorcycles, but in MotoGP and WSBK, you will see more safe faring to faring or wheel to wheel combat and aggressive passing than in any other sport. They still use the point system and they use it effectively.
I think the wins thing will improve the quality of the races. Instead of all the cars coasting to the finish after their last pit, they will actually have motivation to try and chase a car down. Mid pack has always been pretty aggressive all the way to the line and the rules didn't really change for them.
In cases where P2 is 20 seconds behind P1, there's no gain in the extra reward for the win.
And yes, ~P5-P12 has always been more competitive because the cars/drivers are closer matched and there's more on the line.
#128
I think the wins thing will improve the quality of the races. Instead of all the cars coasting to the finish after their last pit, they will actually have motivation to try and chase a car down. Mid pack has always been pretty aggressive all the way to the line and the rules didn't really change for them.
#129
If anything, I think you'll see more reckless overtaking attempts which result in the top two cars getting DNFed, and the 3rd place car getting the win. Lap one, turn one will be even worse because guys will place such a high importance on getting P1 from the start...
name one pass by DC that wasn't reckless
and name one pass by the guy in second place all of last season (ok there were a few but not many)
#130
For good reason - it's rare when the winner isn't clearly the fastest car.
#132
What if you're in 1st place and the 2nd place guy wipes you out trying a pass he had no chance to make cleanly? With the point system, you take your 8 points and go on to the next race... with the win-or-go-home, if you're in 1st and not a mile away, you might as well just assume someone will take you out.
For good reason - it's rare when the winner isn't clearly the fastest car.
For good reason - it's rare when the winner isn't clearly the fastest car.
Regardless, there is no right or wrong when it comes to this arguement. I just think it provides more motivation for drivers to come 1st and its more exciting for all the fans of the sport that sit at home and are glued to their TVs. I'm sorry but watching a race where people are just trying to hold their position and points doesn't make for an exciting race. How many times last season have we witnessed this?