Increasing Power vs. Weight Reduction
#31
The US models have emissions equipment mounted under the back of the car, so the ACD pump couldn't be put in the same location. On the US spec cars it is mounted just behind the front bumper on the driver's side. A really really dumb place to put a component that could cripple a car in a mild accident.
Dave
Dave
#32
The US models have emissions equipment mounted under the back of the car, so the ACD pump couldn't be put in the same location. On the US spec cars it is mounted just behind the front bumper on the driver's side. A really really dumb place to put a component that could cripple a car in a mild accident.
Dave
Dave
In the end i'd like to get it out of the front as well Dave, and if we can relocate the oil cooler in front of the radiator, we can effectively seal off both "sides" of the front bumper.
#33
Dave
#34
As far as the ACD pump goes, does ACP run it for 20 mins? 20 hours? I'm trying to overbuild like you so i'd like to know what sort of abuse they've put it through time wise (besides the obvious rally/bumping/rough ride/constant shifting/pumping) to determine what's the best possible relocation for it's longevity.
For the oil cooler, i've thought about the restriction as well. What i've heard, and unfort. in our world haven't seen, is using Fluidyne's NASCAR spec oil cooler across the upper opening. This cooler, which runs for a pretty penny, should be 100 times better then the one we have/use OEM wise. So it's obviously designed to let the air through once you read the specs. Now onto the water cooling. This is also a concern of mine because at my last event I hit 245deg F. The changes between the last run and this run was the fact that I no longer have AC or an AC belt or AC controller or anything related. And I've taken the heat shields off of the OEM turbo/O2 setup.
My original plan was to free up weight and air so it cools the turbo hotside while i'm driving. But what I really think is going on is the fact that the oem radiator with the oem fan isn't really pushing air through ON TOP OF the fact that the super-heated turbo was causing heat gain on the driver side of the radiator. It could be one or the other, but I can't be certain.
While on track, my oem water gauge was reading just below normal, while my upper radiator gauge was reading 245. Does the water flow up or down through the radiator hoses into the engine?
For the oil cooler, i've thought about the restriction as well. What i've heard, and unfort. in our world haven't seen, is using Fluidyne's NASCAR spec oil cooler across the upper opening. This cooler, which runs for a pretty penny, should be 100 times better then the one we have/use OEM wise. So it's obviously designed to let the air through once you read the specs. Now onto the water cooling. This is also a concern of mine because at my last event I hit 245deg F. The changes between the last run and this run was the fact that I no longer have AC or an AC belt or AC controller or anything related. And I've taken the heat shields off of the OEM turbo/O2 setup.
My original plan was to free up weight and air so it cools the turbo hotside while i'm driving. But what I really think is going on is the fact that the oem radiator with the oem fan isn't really pushing air through ON TOP OF the fact that the super-heated turbo was causing heat gain on the driver side of the radiator. It could be one or the other, but I can't be certain.
While on track, my oem water gauge was reading just below normal, while my upper radiator gauge was reading 245. Does the water flow up or down through the radiator hoses into the engine?
#35
There are some stages in the US where guys will be running for 20 minutes or so, and I'd bet during rally the pump sees much higher abuse than it will out at a track. The rally diff programmers all increase line pressure to make the center diff lock harder, so all in all I'd say rally abuse is about the 'worst case' scenario. The big question would be, how often does ACP burn out or replace the pumps?
There's a company in the UK that makes an upgrade kit, that enables the pumps to survive the heavy useage. http://www.hh-ms.com/products.htm
Any info on the nascar coolers?
Dave
There's a company in the UK that makes an upgrade kit, that enables the pumps to survive the heavy useage. http://www.hh-ms.com/products.htm
Any info on the nascar coolers?
Dave
#36
Nice find on the pump, any idea what they actually "do" to it besides the obvious Earl-like lines/fittings? I've seen Works and some others offer the Ralliart diff controller, pondered getting the Tarmac one myself, you run one?
On the oil coolers, These bad boys, specifically the airbox 650 which i've seen on a LOT of the LeMans cars:
http://www.fluidyne.com/pl_theoc.html
On the oil coolers, These bad boys, specifically the airbox 650 which i've seen on a LOT of the LeMans cars:
http://www.fluidyne.com/pl_theoc.html
#37
Regarding water temp, when mine got hot at race to the sky, we taped up the sides of the radiator, removed 1 headlight and lifted the back of the bonnet (hood) to let air through. It was perfect. Does anyone know why the acd pumps burn out. Is it heat that causes it or another prob. Motec in Australia build one of the best acd computers. You can fully tune it. Ralliart is still locked in to what they set. The price may not be to different when you factor the currency exchange.
Well, off racing now. Had an alignment done this week. 20mm to out front, 13mm toe out rear. 25mm = 1 inch!!!! Not sure how that happened. Should be easier to drive now.
Well, off racing now. Had an alignment done this week. 20mm to out front, 13mm toe out rear. 25mm = 1 inch!!!! Not sure how that happened. Should be easier to drive now.
#38
Regarding water temp, when mine got hot at race to the sky, we taped up the sides of the radiator, removed 1 headlight and lifted the back of the bonnet (hood) to let air through. It was perfect. Does anyone know why the acd pumps burn out. Is it heat that causes it or another prob. Motec in Australia build one of the best acd computers. You can fully tune it. Ralliart is still locked in to what they set. The price may not be to different when you factor the currency exchange.
I've got the MoTec MDC (diff programmer), and highly recommend it! I haven't messed with the settings at all. I found them to make the most difference when using left-foot-braking. The changes are subtle, but allow you to carry more speed thru the corners, such that you might not notice that the car is really any better. But, if you swap back in the OEM diff ECU, you'll notice all of a sudden the car isn't as planted....well, at least that's what I noticed when doing back-to-back comparisons at the ice tracks at the Bridgestone Winter Driving School.
Dave
#39
Just wanted to keep you guys in the loop with what I'm doing, though I'll probably start another thread shortly to document the changes we've made for 2009.
Just ordered the following:
Fiber Images Super - Lightweight Hood - 6 lbs. current Vis hood is 22. 16 lbs saved
Fiber Images Trunk - 5 lbs. current trunk is 22.5. 18 lbs saved
AMS 2-piece driveshaft - 14.5 lbs saved
I will also try to trim some additional weight out of the rear doors. I'm also going to tackle the ACD reservoir move next week, and I should be able to shed a heavy bracket, and put the weight in a more beneficial place (behind passenger seat). I bought a spot-weld drill bit so I may go after any additional bracketing. Short of the $$ I spent on the above mentioned parts, I'm going to see what I can pull out now in sweat equity. I'm pretty confident I'll be able to get the car near 2950 without going too crazy.
The benefit of these mods is that I can use them for all the racing I'm doing. CF doors wouldn't be rally legal, so they'd be a PPIHC item only. Based on budget contstraints, those will have to wait till next year. I'm currently trying to decide if lexan would be a good idea in our dusty environments.
Dave
Just ordered the following:
Fiber Images Super - Lightweight Hood - 6 lbs. current Vis hood is 22. 16 lbs saved
Fiber Images Trunk - 5 lbs. current trunk is 22.5. 18 lbs saved
AMS 2-piece driveshaft - 14.5 lbs saved
I will also try to trim some additional weight out of the rear doors. I'm also going to tackle the ACD reservoir move next week, and I should be able to shed a heavy bracket, and put the weight in a more beneficial place (behind passenger seat). I bought a spot-weld drill bit so I may go after any additional bracketing. Short of the $$ I spent on the above mentioned parts, I'm going to see what I can pull out now in sweat equity. I'm pretty confident I'll be able to get the car near 2950 without going too crazy.
The benefit of these mods is that I can use them for all the racing I'm doing. CF doors wouldn't be rally legal, so they'd be a PPIHC item only. Based on budget contstraints, those will have to wait till next year. I'm currently trying to decide if lexan would be a good idea in our dusty environments.
Dave
#40
I believe AMS sells the hood and trunk for $599 each, but a quick call to them would get you the most up-to-date pricing.
I do not have a scale, but the hood is definately much lighter than the hood I pulled off the car, which was a Vis Tracer hood. I'm also guessing that the quoted weight doesn't include the hood vent, which probably weighs over a pound itself.
Dave
I do not have a scale, but the hood is definately much lighter than the hood I pulled off the car, which was a Vis Tracer hood. I'm also guessing that the quoted weight doesn't include the hood vent, which probably weighs over a pound itself.
Dave
#41
+1 for weight reduction. +10 for unsprung weight reduction. I haven't seen anything in this thread about unsprung weight reduction. What kind of wheels are you running? You may be able to save 5-6 lbs per wheel depending on what your current setup is. Buddy club and Volks make some super lightweight wheels for a pretty price. Enkei has some decent lightweights as well that are easier on the budget. Judging by recent pics of your car I'm guessing you already know most of this...
#42
+1 for weight reduction. +10 for unsprung weight reduction. I haven't seen anything in this thread about unsprung weight reduction. What kind of wheels are you running? You may be able to save 5-6 lbs per wheel depending on what your current setup is. Buddy club and Volks make some super lightweight wheels for a pretty price. Enkei has some decent lightweights as well that are easier on the budget. Judging by recent pics of your car I'm guessing you already know most of this...
My old wheel setup was 15x7 with rally tires, so I'm guessing weight will be a wash on the wheel/tires.
Dave
#44
#45
I don't understand some people think getting widest and biggest tire size will increase traction but doesn't know it will affect unsprung weight.
I had 245 and 275s before and for some reason, I like 245s over 275.
I had 245 and 275s before and for some reason, I like 245s over 275.