no one here has experienced the red haze of racing... you are so worried about position and start thinking everything will go your way and don't make wise decisions... closing on esses at 50+ on a crappy driver is unwise.

 

After watching it like 3-4 times I blamed the driver, solely, then I watched the whole video over again like another 3-4 times. I definitely blame both of them, the driver more than the guy he hit, but still both of them for sure.

 

yeah.. i mean this isnt NASCAR.. we can't just wreck a car and smile for the cameras after, while our sponsors and teams rebuild it.

just cause you are 'right' doesnt mean youre 'RIGHT'. it's amateur racing.. AMATEUR.. everyone out there is at a different skill level and its where you start your racing career.

lets even say they DO have some big stewards meeting and determine driver X was 100% at fault. you still have a wrecked race car. over what? a $2.99 trophy and a plastic checkered flag?

I was lapping this guy for the 2nd time while leading. I knew he was a menace. I probably could have dove under him in 3. But i crept in on him... even when I thought it was clear, I still crept in on the pass. Got along side of him and sure enough he came down on me, but i was ready and broke just enough for him to just tap my nose. I gave up a 12 second lead in those 3 turns. but i survived with a nice wheel donut and still got my $2.99 trophy and plastic checkered flag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxNvidKOHfM

 

Ryan, i understand what youre saying. As a racer you have to be prepared for all situations. Either way, i still believe that collision happened because the leading Vette driver decided to not only go offline, but also slammed on his brakes in what appears to be a pretty high speed section. The trailing car didnt have enough time to avoid a car that out of nowhere slammed on his brakes. I know it sounds harsh, but that guy has no business being out there racing. He is a catastrophe waiting to happen.

 

As you move on in amateur racing... you're going to find that happens a LOT.. people learn... no one starts out knowing everything.


I promise not to pass you at 50+ closing rate at miller.

 

Not if i show up with 50whp more than what i have now!

 

i would mark that guy name/ the black vette one/ and his license and so on, and banned from any track for 2 year .
That attitude can kill people .

He is dangerous and stupid, there is no excuse for that.

 

fifty shmifty


Are you going this weekend or cal speedway?

 

Miller motorsports park? **** happens there all the time. And Mitch Wright is insane with his rulings, he's why my dad got out of the series.

It is clear that A) the car in front did NOT slam his brakes, he hit them in a weird spot for sure, but if that thing is setup as a racecar, there was no "slamming" going on. B) the car behind CLEARLY did not make an attempt to avoid the accident at all, it does not look like he hit his brakes or attempted to swerve out of the way, he clearly plowed right into the back of the other car, and even if the other car had not touched his brakes, I'm pretty confident the accident still would've occured.

Personally, I still think both are at fault, if that car in front is supposed to be just as quick as that other car and was going so slow that the other car caught up that fast, he really shouldn't be on track... However, if the driver from behind can't handle slowing down to avoid an incident he shouldn't be racing either, except maybe for NASCAR.

 

Im low on money right now, so i have to skip the races this weekend. But ill be out there instructing. Im not sure about CS. Im thinking i need to focus more on saving up for Nationals. Ill have to wait and see how the next few weeks unfold.

 

Yeah - pretty sure the driver, who seems level-headed, is realizing/accepting his part of the incident.

 

you dont know him very well.

 

I think he slammed on his brakes. Look at the closing distance. The leading Vette went from slow speed to stopping speed. I cant say for sure, but it does appear that the trailing Vette driver did get on the brakes right before the collision. I can see his knee lift off the throttle. And like i said earlier, i understand that as a racer you have to be prepared for all situations. BUT, you have to draw the line somewhere. Plain and simple, the leading Vette driver should not be out there racing. You cant compromise the safety of other racers for this one guy. Thats a recipe for disaster. Not only did he go offline, he then proceeded to slam on his brakes in a high-speed section. He was unpredictable/inconsistent. Yeah, as a racer i have to be prepared for all situations, but in the end you have to draw the line somewhere. And im saying that slower Vette driver should not be out there racing. At least not now. They should at least suspend him and make him prove himself in some sort of DE/TT group. Then he should be reevaluated again through the SCCA race school.

 

haha.. i went to school with guys in rented miatas who hit 2 cars each and still got licenses.

i got yelled at for always being on the opposite side of the track trying to avoid them.

 

Alright, watched it again like 19 times. Definitely not slamming his brakes, stopping speed sure, because he was going slow already, but certainly not a SLAM. I've seen track prepped cars slam their brakes (I've slammed brakes in a track car too) and they definitely don't cost to a stop like that, there's smoking tires when track cars slam brakes. I still say he would've hit the other car whether it hit it's brakes or not since it was going so slow.

His knee lifts, sure, didn't notice that before, only felt like he wasn't slowing down much (also didn't SLAM his own brakes for sure). I didn't even watch his legs and hands the first time. Watching them again makes me notice his hands... Which do absolutly nothing to avoid the incident, and almost looks like he turns into the incident.

Also, if where the leading car was was really off-line for that track (looks on-line to me, but it's hard to tell in videos) why didn't the trailing car just take the pass on-line? Is that against the rules in that series? If not, then there's no excuse, especially not for not taking a little bit extra caution when passing someone who is known to be a hazard.

Yes, I agree the driver in front should be removed from the series to be re-evaluated in a DE/TT setting, but I don't agree that it was entirely his fault.