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Feb 10, 2010, 12:05 PM
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Contrary to statements made over the last week, any of the new teams will NOT be allowed to miss three races. If they miss any, fines will be levied according to the FIA. While both these teams claim they will be ready, I think Campos has the greatest risk in not making it; Stefan Racing is breathing down their neck for their spot because they smell blood or actually lack of funding in Campos camp. Hope USF1 doesn't fall into the same trouble!
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
From the little bit of inside info that i have heard, usf1 is in big trouble currently. Money and good managment are something they seem to be lacking at this point. I will be shocked if we see there car on the grid
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Day 1 of the second test results
Unofficial Wet Times
1. Hulkenberg Williams 1:28.606
2. Alonso Ferrari 1:28.7
3. Button McLaren 1:30
4. Webber Red Bull 1:30
5. Kobayashi Sauber 1:31
6. Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:32
7. Liuzzi Force India 1:32
8. Buemi Toro Rosso 1:33
9. Petrov Renault 1:34
10. Glock Virgin Racing 1:38
Unofficial Dry Times
1. N. Rosberg Mercedes GP W01 1:20.927 57 laps
2. S. Buemi Toro Rosso STR5 1:21.031 +0.104 84 laps
3. N. Hülkenberg Williams FW32 1:22.243 +1.316 118 laps
4. F. Alonso Ferrari F10 1:22.895 +1.968 88 laps
5. K. Kobayashi Sauber C29 1:23.287 +2.360 55 laps
6. J. Button McLaren MP4-25 1:24.947 +4.020 68 laps
7. V. Liuzzi Force India VJM-03 1:24.968 +4.041 71 laps
8. V. Petrov Renault R30 1:25.440 +4.513 27 laps
9. M. Webber Red Bull Racing RB6 1:26.502 +5.575 50 laps
10. T. Glock Virgin Racing VR-01 1:38.734 +17.807 5 laps
Unofficial Wet Times
1. Hulkenberg Williams 1:28.606
2. Alonso Ferrari 1:28.7
3. Button McLaren 1:30
4. Webber Red Bull 1:30
5. Kobayashi Sauber 1:31
6. Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:32
7. Liuzzi Force India 1:32
8. Buemi Toro Rosso 1:33
9. Petrov Renault 1:34
10. Glock Virgin Racing 1:38
Unofficial Dry Times
1. N. Rosberg Mercedes GP W01 1:20.927 57 laps
2. S. Buemi Toro Rosso STR5 1:21.031 +0.104 84 laps
3. N. Hülkenberg Williams FW32 1:22.243 +1.316 118 laps
4. F. Alonso Ferrari F10 1:22.895 +1.968 88 laps
5. K. Kobayashi Sauber C29 1:23.287 +2.360 55 laps
6. J. Button McLaren MP4-25 1:24.947 +4.020 68 laps
7. V. Liuzzi Force India VJM-03 1:24.968 +4.041 71 laps
8. V. Petrov Renault R30 1:25.440 +4.513 27 laps
9. M. Webber Red Bull Racing RB6 1:26.502 +5.575 50 laps
10. T. Glock Virgin Racing VR-01 1:38.734 +17.807 5 laps
Feb 10, 2010, 12:29 PM
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Hulkenberg should be good. He's been groomed in the red bull program for years, and Ferrari/McLaren have wanted to swoop him up.
USF1: I hope they make it to the grid.
might be a sucky team, but innovation through creativity is good for competition and F1 which has become stale under Maximum **** Mosley.
USF1: I hope they make it to the grid.
might be a sucky team, but innovation through creativity is good for competition and F1 which has become stale under Maximum **** Mosley.
Feb 10, 2010, 01:46 PM
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They are not innovating, they are buying the chassis, tranny, and motors, and not much else has been done to this point. If they do race this year they will be far behind that they team will only serve as an embarrassment. The competition factor will only come into play as they front runners will have to make moves to go around them.
Feb 10, 2010, 02:02 PM
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pretty sure the regs state that every team has to make their own chassis this year (read: red bull/Toro Roso)
and their innovation probably wont come in the first year given their ownership.... but competition is a good thing. (GM from the 40's through 60's whua?)
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and their innovation probably wont come in the first year given their ownership.... but competition is a good thing. (GM from the 40's through 60's whua?)
(last pic included for comedic value)
Feb 10, 2010, 03:23 PM
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They are not innovating, they are buying the chassis, tranny, and motors, and not much else has been done to this point. If they do race this year they will be far behind that they team will only serve as an embarrassment. The competition factor will only come into play as they front runners will have to make moves to go around them.
I do agree that USF1's guys don't seem that sharp. They talk about how much experience they are and how great they are. But in those interviews they don't come off as super stars. And the CAD renderings look pretty bland compared to some of the other cars.
The Virgin car looks great, and Wirth knows their stuff. Be interesting to see what happens with them. But it's hard to have no real data to start with.
Feb 10, 2010, 11:21 PM
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This is from a guy in the USF1 shop
"It got hot in the kitchen for a while because of my posts, but the situation is now so chaotic and the lying taking place borders on complete fraud.
The car is easily 2 months away from being complete--and thats if they had the money and manpower to complete it and they gave decision making to the appropriate people.
Ken couldn't make payroll at the end of January and finally paid everyone 1/2 of what they were owed this past Monday, the 2nd half is promised this Monday--I'm not holding my breath. About 2/3rds of staff are showing up semi-regularly…who can blame them..there is little to work on.
Everything is hand to mouth -- all of the suppliers are on COD terms if they will supply at all. We haven't seen a Cosworth because they still owe 2.5M euros for them. We have no materials to turn into parts--but assumes that we'd have drawings to produce parts from Anderson Jr….another complete incompetent that barely got his High School diploma!
The boys in the carbon shop don't have the drawings or the tooling they need to produce the tub, let alone the entire car. The tub alone is weeks away from being able to send for FIA testing. At least they don't have to worry about making the suspension pieces--they are all going to be crafted from steel! No wheels, tires or brakes are in the shop, the transmission hasn't been seen either.
Poor Pechito…he shows up yesterday and there is no tub for him to sit in or to get a seat fitting in. He's told--"thats what happens when the money comes in late"
Like it's his fault…Peter and Ken are perhaps the worst managers F1 has ever seen. Peter and Ken convince themselves that they are brilliant businessmen, when they don't understand the basics of an org chart, chain of command, delegation of responsibility..not a single person knows their role, responsibility or job function and if they are--they aren't allowed to do it. The basics of management require that in order to make people accountable, they must have the authority and the financial ability to make decisions in their area of responsibility---Ken will have none of that!.
Ken makes every decision himself despite being surrounded by real F1 engineering, production and marketing & communications experts that would do a much better job if left to do it. When challenged on any decision or direction, your job is usually threatened or he leaves for Starbucks to avoid the confrontation. We were all told the team had 3 years funding and Ken professed he wanted to be, "the dumbest guy in the room", nothing could be further from the truth…the whole adventure has been built on one lie after another and tightly controlled by Ken and his flavor-of-the-day believers.
When he can't make payroll…he goes to Daytona to try and drum up money from unsuspecting gentleman racers who think they are "investing" in something…the dream has turned into a con job.
We think Bernie is on to them and Hurley must be at this point too. Any reasonable person could see how mis-managed the whole operation is.
Its all so sad--the opportunity lost, the dream investor scammed….. dream to nightmare due to extreme mismanagement and the egos of K & P.
If the cancer were removed, real management and investment installed-we could make a go of it--but not until Spain……at the earliest.
I can't wait to see what kind witch hunt transpires from this post! Screw them--getting the truth out will hopefully create some transparency to their scheme."
"It got hot in the kitchen for a while because of my posts, but the situation is now so chaotic and the lying taking place borders on complete fraud.
The car is easily 2 months away from being complete--and thats if they had the money and manpower to complete it and they gave decision making to the appropriate people.
Ken couldn't make payroll at the end of January and finally paid everyone 1/2 of what they were owed this past Monday, the 2nd half is promised this Monday--I'm not holding my breath. About 2/3rds of staff are showing up semi-regularly…who can blame them..there is little to work on.
Everything is hand to mouth -- all of the suppliers are on COD terms if they will supply at all. We haven't seen a Cosworth because they still owe 2.5M euros for them. We have no materials to turn into parts--but assumes that we'd have drawings to produce parts from Anderson Jr….another complete incompetent that barely got his High School diploma!
The boys in the carbon shop don't have the drawings or the tooling they need to produce the tub, let alone the entire car. The tub alone is weeks away from being able to send for FIA testing. At least they don't have to worry about making the suspension pieces--they are all going to be crafted from steel! No wheels, tires or brakes are in the shop, the transmission hasn't been seen either.
Poor Pechito…he shows up yesterday and there is no tub for him to sit in or to get a seat fitting in. He's told--"thats what happens when the money comes in late"
Like it's his fault…Peter and Ken are perhaps the worst managers F1 has ever seen. Peter and Ken convince themselves that they are brilliant businessmen, when they don't understand the basics of an org chart, chain of command, delegation of responsibility..not a single person knows their role, responsibility or job function and if they are--they aren't allowed to do it. The basics of management require that in order to make people accountable, they must have the authority and the financial ability to make decisions in their area of responsibility---Ken will have none of that!.
Ken makes every decision himself despite being surrounded by real F1 engineering, production and marketing & communications experts that would do a much better job if left to do it. When challenged on any decision or direction, your job is usually threatened or he leaves for Starbucks to avoid the confrontation. We were all told the team had 3 years funding and Ken professed he wanted to be, "the dumbest guy in the room", nothing could be further from the truth…the whole adventure has been built on one lie after another and tightly controlled by Ken and his flavor-of-the-day believers.
When he can't make payroll…he goes to Daytona to try and drum up money from unsuspecting gentleman racers who think they are "investing" in something…the dream has turned into a con job.
We think Bernie is on to them and Hurley must be at this point too. Any reasonable person could see how mis-managed the whole operation is.
Its all so sad--the opportunity lost, the dream investor scammed….. dream to nightmare due to extreme mismanagement and the egos of K & P.
If the cancer were removed, real management and investment installed-we could make a go of it--but not until Spain……at the earliest.
I can't wait to see what kind witch hunt transpires from this post! Screw them--getting the truth out will hopefully create some transparency to their scheme."
Feb 11, 2010, 02:10 AM
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Planet f1 is a few weeks behind us when it comes to the idea of Kimi driving for red bull in 2011
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...935861,00.html
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...935861,00.html
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Day 2 of testing
Unofficial Times
1. M. Webber Red Bull Racing RB6 1:26.341 12 laps
2. S. Buemi Toro Rosso STR5 1:26.361 +0.020 9 laps
3. K. Kobayashi Sauber C29 1:27.694 +1.353 13 laps
4. F. Alonso Ferrari F10 1:28.584 +2.243 6 laps
5. M. Schumacher Mercedes GP W01 1:28.999 +2.658 6 laps
6. J. Button McLaren MP4-25 1:33.555 +7.214 5 laps
7. T. Glock Virgin Racing VR-01 1:36.045 +9.704 4 laps
Unofficial Times
1. M. Webber Red Bull Racing RB6 1:26.341 12 laps
2. S. Buemi Toro Rosso STR5 1:26.361 +0.020 9 laps
3. K. Kobayashi Sauber C29 1:27.694 +1.353 13 laps
4. F. Alonso Ferrari F10 1:28.584 +2.243 6 laps
5. M. Schumacher Mercedes GP W01 1:28.999 +2.658 6 laps
6. J. Button McLaren MP4-25 1:33.555 +7.214 5 laps
7. T. Glock Virgin Racing VR-01 1:36.045 +9.704 4 laps
Feb 11, 2010, 05:37 AM
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Day 2 of testing
Unofficial Times
1. M. Webber Red Bull Racing RB6 1:26.341 12 laps
2. S. Buemi Toro Rosso STR5 1:26.361 +0.020 9 laps
3. K. Kobayashi Sauber C29 1:27.694 +1.353 13 laps
4. F. Alonso Ferrari F10 1:28.584 +2.243 6 laps
5. M. Schumacher Mercedes GP W01 1:28.999 +2.658 6 laps
6. J. Button McLaren MP4-25 1:33.555 +7.214 5 laps
7. T. Glock Virgin Racing VR-01 1:36.045 +9.704 4 laps
Unofficial Times
1. M. Webber Red Bull Racing RB6 1:26.341 12 laps
2. S. Buemi Toro Rosso STR5 1:26.361 +0.020 9 laps
3. K. Kobayashi Sauber C29 1:27.694 +1.353 13 laps
4. F. Alonso Ferrari F10 1:28.584 +2.243 6 laps
5. M. Schumacher Mercedes GP W01 1:28.999 +2.658 6 laps
6. J. Button McLaren MP4-25 1:33.555 +7.214 5 laps
7. T. Glock Virgin Racing VR-01 1:36.045 +9.704 4 laps
Feb 11, 2010, 05:43 AM
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This is from a guy in the USF1 shop
"It got hot in the kitchen for a while because of my posts, but the situation is now so chaotic and the lying taking place borders on complete fraud.
The car is easily 2 months away from being complete--and thats if they had the money and manpower to complete it and they gave decision making to the appropriate people.
Ken couldn't make payroll at the end of January and finally paid everyone 1/2 of what they were owed this past Monday, the 2nd half is promised this Monday--I'm not holding my breath. About 2/3rds of staff are showing up semi-regularly…who can blame them..there is little to work on.
Everything is hand to mouth -- all of the suppliers are on COD terms if they will supply at all. We haven't seen a Cosworth because they still owe 2.5M euros for them. We have no materials to turn into parts--but assumes that we'd have drawings to produce parts from Anderson Jr….another complete incompetent that barely got his High School diploma!
The boys in the carbon shop don't have the drawings or the tooling they need to produce the tub, let alone the entire car. The tub alone is weeks away from being able to send for FIA testing. At least they don't have to worry about making the suspension pieces--they are all going to be crafted from steel! No wheels, tires or brakes are in the shop, the transmission hasn't been seen either.
Poor Pechito…he shows up yesterday and there is no tub for him to sit in or to get a seat fitting in. He's told--"thats what happens when the money comes in late"
Like it's his fault…Peter and Ken are perhaps the worst managers F1 has ever seen. Peter and Ken convince themselves that they are brilliant businessmen, when they don't understand the basics of an org chart, chain of command, delegation of responsibility..not a single person knows their role, responsibility or job function and if they are--they aren't allowed to do it. The basics of management require that in order to make people accountable, they must have the authority and the financial ability to make decisions in their area of responsibility---Ken will have none of that!.
Ken makes every decision himself despite being surrounded by real F1 engineering, production and marketing & communications experts that would do a much better job if left to do it. When challenged on any decision or direction, your job is usually threatened or he leaves for Starbucks to avoid the confrontation. We were all told the team had 3 years funding and Ken professed he wanted to be, "the dumbest guy in the room", nothing could be further from the truth…the whole adventure has been built on one lie after another and tightly controlled by Ken and his flavor-of-the-day believers.
When he can't make payroll…he goes to Daytona to try and drum up money from unsuspecting gentleman racers who think they are "investing" in something…the dream has turned into a con job.
We think Bernie is on to them and Hurley must be at this point too. Any reasonable person could see how mis-managed the whole operation is.
Its all so sad--the opportunity lost, the dream investor scammed….. dream to nightmare due to extreme mismanagement and the egos of K & P.
If the cancer were removed, real management and investment installed-we could make a go of it--but not until Spain……at the earliest.
I can't wait to see what kind witch hunt transpires from this post! Screw them--getting the truth out will hopefully create some transparency to their scheme."
"It got hot in the kitchen for a while because of my posts, but the situation is now so chaotic and the lying taking place borders on complete fraud.
The car is easily 2 months away from being complete--and thats if they had the money and manpower to complete it and they gave decision making to the appropriate people.
Ken couldn't make payroll at the end of January and finally paid everyone 1/2 of what they were owed this past Monday, the 2nd half is promised this Monday--I'm not holding my breath. About 2/3rds of staff are showing up semi-regularly…who can blame them..there is little to work on.
Everything is hand to mouth -- all of the suppliers are on COD terms if they will supply at all. We haven't seen a Cosworth because they still owe 2.5M euros for them. We have no materials to turn into parts--but assumes that we'd have drawings to produce parts from Anderson Jr….another complete incompetent that barely got his High School diploma!
The boys in the carbon shop don't have the drawings or the tooling they need to produce the tub, let alone the entire car. The tub alone is weeks away from being able to send for FIA testing. At least they don't have to worry about making the suspension pieces--they are all going to be crafted from steel! No wheels, tires or brakes are in the shop, the transmission hasn't been seen either.
Poor Pechito…he shows up yesterday and there is no tub for him to sit in or to get a seat fitting in. He's told--"thats what happens when the money comes in late"
Like it's his fault…Peter and Ken are perhaps the worst managers F1 has ever seen. Peter and Ken convince themselves that they are brilliant businessmen, when they don't understand the basics of an org chart, chain of command, delegation of responsibility..not a single person knows their role, responsibility or job function and if they are--they aren't allowed to do it. The basics of management require that in order to make people accountable, they must have the authority and the financial ability to make decisions in their area of responsibility---Ken will have none of that!.
Ken makes every decision himself despite being surrounded by real F1 engineering, production and marketing & communications experts that would do a much better job if left to do it. When challenged on any decision or direction, your job is usually threatened or he leaves for Starbucks to avoid the confrontation. We were all told the team had 3 years funding and Ken professed he wanted to be, "the dumbest guy in the room", nothing could be further from the truth…the whole adventure has been built on one lie after another and tightly controlled by Ken and his flavor-of-the-day believers.
When he can't make payroll…he goes to Daytona to try and drum up money from unsuspecting gentleman racers who think they are "investing" in something…the dream has turned into a con job.
We think Bernie is on to them and Hurley must be at this point too. Any reasonable person could see how mis-managed the whole operation is.
Its all so sad--the opportunity lost, the dream investor scammed….. dream to nightmare due to extreme mismanagement and the egos of K & P.
If the cancer were removed, real management and investment installed-we could make a go of it--but not until Spain……at the earliest.
I can't wait to see what kind witch hunt transpires from this post! Screw them--getting the truth out will hopefully create some transparency to their scheme."
Feb 11, 2010, 07:33 AM
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Billy delivering the goods - I stand corrected. Where did you pull that from?
I know exactly what that guys is talking about, I've worked at a place just like that - mismanaged and unable to deliver because one person micro-managed all the decisions. And the classic threat of losing your job as leverage for decision making, it's the worst thing you can do as a manager. Employees lose interest in working in a caustic environment like that, I did.
It's funny that Ken seemed to knock out the windshear tunnel ahead of schedule and under budget (or so they say), but can't do this. Too bad. Seems like money is the real issue though, they don't have enough to buy the off-the-shelf parts.
I know exactly what that guys is talking about, I've worked at a place just like that - mismanaged and unable to deliver because one person micro-managed all the decisions. And the classic threat of losing your job as leverage for decision making, it's the worst thing you can do as a manager. Employees lose interest in working in a caustic environment like that, I did.
It's funny that Ken seemed to knock out the windshear tunnel ahead of schedule and under budget (or so they say), but can't do this. Too bad. Seems like money is the real issue though, they don't have enough to buy the off-the-shelf parts.
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interesting read. i would say its very unusual for someone to make a public comment like that but either the guy really likes the company and wants it to succeed, or he doesn't care about his job anymore (that or is under the assumption he no longer has a job).
so heres how they could save money:
find every engineer who say they would give a left ******** and work for free just to be on an F1 design team, and hold them to that
so heres how they could save money:
find every engineer who say they would give a left ******** and work for free just to be on an F1 design team, and hold them to that