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Old Mar 1, 2010 | 12:35 PM
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30 cars is way to many to have on the grid for tracks that are don't wide enough to allow passing. That will only create anger when fast cars cannot pass the slow half
Old Mar 1, 2010 | 12:53 PM
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30 cars is way to many to have on the grid for tracks that are don't wide enough to allow passing. That will only create anger when fast cars cannot pass the slow half
Agreed! If they can field 15+ teams, then it might make more sense to cut teams down to 1 car per team instead, but that'll never happen.
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split the slow cars from the fast. Am F1 race and an F2 race
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Forget missing 4 races, now they ask to miss the whole year http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...998298,00.html
Old Mar 2, 2010 | 11:58 AM
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its surprising to see CNN sponsoring Lotus team instead of USF1. Where is the Patriotism ? lolz
Old Mar 2, 2010 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Billy@EnglishRacing
30 cars is way to many to have on the grid for tracks that are don't wide enough to allow passing. That will only create anger when fast cars cannot pass the slow half

Anger? Or danger?

Either way it's not relevant, these are professional drivers, how many times did we see Brawn and Red Bull lap half the field this past year. It creates traffic and more passing opportunities.

These are supposed to be the best drivers in the world, I would think they could execute passes on much slower cars that are going to move out of the way anyways.

Not to mention many of these guys have raced in much bigger fields in previous formula, GT or prototype racing with much bigger disparities in speed (GT vs prototype).

30 car grids is good for the sport, more media, more sponsors, more competition. I sure hope F1 hasn't gotten so soft that you can only have 18 cars on grid or people are whining. That is soft.
Old Mar 2, 2010 | 12:04 PM
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Agreed! If they can field 15+ teams, then it might make more sense to cut teams down to 1 car per team instead, but that'll never happen.

15 car grid, are you serious?


That's boring as heck. By the time you get a multi car wreck in turn 1 or a couple of failures you're down to 10-12 cars. Who wants to see that? A 15 car grid is a failure at any level.
Old Mar 2, 2010 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bluestreak
Anger? Or danger?

Either way it's not relevant, these are professional drivers, how many times did we see Brawn and Red Bull lap half the field this past year. It creates traffic and more passing opportunities.

These are supposed to be the best drivers in the world, I would think they could execute passes on much slower cars that are going to move out of the way anyways.

Not to mention many of these guys have raced in much bigger fields in previous formula, GT or prototype racing with much bigger disparities in speed (GT vs prototype).

30 car grids is good for the sport, more media, more sponsors, more competition. I sure hope F1 hasn't gotten so soft that you can only have 18 cars on grid or people are whining. That is soft.
The difference is in F1 the laptime and therefore closing speeds are so far apart between pole and the back of the field that it is a danger to those who are racing regardless of skill level. Due to this issue the fields in F1 have always been kept small.

In nascar you have 43 cars separated by 1.5 second at most, in F1 its a couple seconds between only 20 so cars. F1 will always keep the grid relatively small to ensure that the teams that get the spots are very professionally run and financially sound (to keep hack jobs like USF1 out

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Old Mar 2, 2010 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bluestreak
Anger? Or danger?

Either way it's not relevant, these are professional drivers, how many times did we see Brawn and Red Bull lap half the field this past year. It creates traffic and more passing opportunities.

These are supposed to be the best drivers in the world, I would think they could execute passes on much slower cars that are going to move out of the way anyways.

Not to mention many of these guys have raced in much bigger fields in previous formula, GT or prototype racing with much bigger disparities in speed (GT vs prototype).

30 car grids is good for the sport, more media, more sponsors, more competition. I sure hope F1 hasn't gotten so soft that you can only have 18 cars on grid or people are whining. That is soft.
Imagine Q1 with 30 cars on track. NOBODY would get a decent flying lap, so you're going to end up with a clusterf*ck of a starting grid. I'd rather have 10 cars with a legit shot at winning a race than those 10 plus 20 wannabe's getting in the way.
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Originally Posted by scorke
The difference is in F1 the laptime and therefore closing speeds are so far apart between pole and the back of the field that it is a danger to those who are racing regardless of skill level. Due to this issue the fields in F1 have always been kept small.

In nascar you have 43 cars separated by 1.5 second at most, in F1 its a couple seconds between only 20 so cars. F1 will always keep the grid relatively small to ensure that the teams that get the spots are very professionally run and financially sound (to keep hack jobs like USF1 out

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The closing speeds are hardly that big in F1, you're not talking 40-50 mph like GT vs Prototype, you're talking 5-10 mph TOPS. That is a danger to NO one.

Not to mention the radio, the guys in the slower cars have someone on the radio telling them there are faster lapping cars approaching at which point they are already prepared to drive offline. And the faster driver already knows the slower driver is coming up too.

These are still pro drivers, they should be able to negotiate slower traffic that's moving out of the way. There is absolutely no reason why F1 shouldn't be able to field 30 cars.


Maybe it would prevent F1 from ditching all the classic historical circuits in favor of street circuits with the biggest budget. Let's face it, Monaco is freaking BORING!!!!! And has been every year. That track is not about racing, it's about the scenery and money.

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Not to mention the radio, the guys in the slower cars have someone on the radio telling them there are faster lapping cars approaching at which point they are already prepared to drive offline. And the faster driver already knows the slower driver is coming up too.

These are still pro drivers, they should be able to negotiate slower traffic that's moving out of the way. There is absolutely no reason why F1 shouldn't be able to field 30 cars.
Key word is "should". Seems like just about every race there's a backmarker that gets in the way of a car lapping them. Add in even more inexperienced and even slower cars, and that would only get worse. You're right though, they should be able to field 30 cars.
Old Mar 2, 2010 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GG06MR
Imagine Q1 with 30 cars on track. NOBODY would get a decent flying lap, so you're going to end up with a clusterf*ck of a starting grid. I'd rather have 10 cars with a legit shot at winning a race than those 10 plus 20 wannabe's getting in the way.
That's the best part.


Who hasn't loved watching Schumacher, Alonso, Kimi, Lewis or someone like that dice through the field from the back or mid pack into podium position. Those are some of the most exciting moments in F1!!!! That's where the racing comes in. Something that is actually lacking in F1. RACING!!!!!!!

Most of these guys came up in GP2 where all or portions of the field were inverted. They have been trained to make their way through traffic.

What you are talking about is only promoting the parade laps that have made F1 so boring the last few years. If finally got exciting again a couple of years ago, and then the FIA went and mucked it up with the rule changes.

Last season was BORING compared to 07 and 08.

Bring the racing back, or do you guys actually like watching the boring parade laps? Where the faster cars just pull away from the cars in front of them till the field is spread out in sections and no actual racing takes place.
Old Mar 2, 2010 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bluestreak
The closing speeds are hardly that big in F1, you're not talking 40-50 mph like GT vs Prototype, you're talking 5-10 mph TOPS. That is a danger to NO one.

Not to mention the radio, the guys in the slower cars have someone on the radio telling them there are faster lapping cars approaching at which point they are already prepared to drive offline. And the faster driver already knows the slower driver is coming up too.

These are still pro drivers, they should be able to negotiate slower traffic that's moving out of the way. There is absolutely no reason why F1 shouldn't be able to field 30 cars.


Maybe it would prevent F1 from ditching all the classic historical circuits in favor of street circuits with the biggest budget. Let's face it, Monaco is freaking BORING!!!!! And has been every year. That track is not about racing, it's about the scenery and money.
Monaco might be boring from behind the TV, but you ask any of the drivers how difficult it is to go around that track and they will tell you otherwise. The history of F1 and the tracks it visits are part of the sport as a whole. If nascar didn't have daytona, and IRL didnt have Indy it wouldn't be the same, neither would F1 without Monaco....

Sure there isn't the overtaking that there is at Bahrain but it's still a race, and the fastest driver USUALLY wins.

F1 never has had a lot of cars compared to other forms of racing, and it never will, so your barking up an empty tree asking for 30 car fields....

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Old Mar 2, 2010 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by scorke
Monaco might be boring from behind the TV, but you ask any of the drivers how difficult it is to go around that track and they will tell you otherwise. The history of F1 and the tracks it visits are part of the sport as a whole. If nascar didn't have daytona, and IRL didnt have Indy it wouldn't be the same, neither would F1 without Monaco....

Sure there isn't the overtaking that there is at Bahrain but it's still a race, and the fastest driver USUALLY wins.

F1 never has had a lot of cars compared to other forms of racing, and it never will, so your barking up an empty tree asking for 30 car fields....

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If F1 history is such a big deal, then where is Imola? Catalunya? Estoril? Interlagos? Tracks that had a big part in making F1 famous. They are slowly being phased out for either street circuit or big flashy circuits in the middle east.

Whoever is willing to pay the most for the circuit.

Where was Indianapolis's history when F1 bailed on them because they wouldn't pay more money. They hike the prices up so they can move on to more money.

Where is the history in that?

This isn't about history, it's about money. F1 history is slowly but surely fading away.




Don't be so sure about the teams, we were close to fielding 26 cars this season. And there are several reputable teams ready to sign up. This in the middle of a global recession. When more money and opportunity comes around. I bet you eat those words.

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Originally Posted by bluestreak
That's the best part.

Who hasn't loved watching Schumacher, Alonso, Kimi, Lewis or someone like that dice through the field from the back or mid pack into podium position. Those are some of the most exciting moments in F1!!!! That's where the racing comes in. Something that is actually lacking in F1. RACING!!!!!!!

Most of these guys came up in GP2 where all or portions of the field were inverted. They have been trained to make their way through traffic.

What you are talking about is only promoting the parade laps that have made F1 so boring the last few years. If finally got exciting again a couple of years ago, and then the FIA went and mucked it up with the rule changes.

Last season was BORING compared to 07 and 08.

Bring the racing back, or do you guys actually like watching the boring parade laps? Where the faster cars just pull away from the cars in front of them till the field is spread out in sections and no actual racing takes place.
No disrespect, but that's just ridiculous. F1 is not little league baseball where every kid gets a chance to play. If you bring a faster car to Saturday qualifying, then you should have every opportunity to run quicker times than everyone else, and take your well earned place at the front of the grid. If it results in parade laps where you're pulling away from the field, then that's on the competition to step up and change that for the next race.


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