Official 2010 Formula One Discussion F1
May 5, 2010 | 12:40 PM
#708
On a more relevant note, if they're worried about the lag why are they not investigating VVT turbos instead of KERS? There are all sorts of options for reducing lag these days, both from a chemical and mechanical standpoint. The only reason I see KERS as a liable alternative is for the "green" appearance, but I still think the turbo can give the same appearance. It just needs to be rebranded as such to modify the public perception. The idea of a strategic passing button is fun and one of my favorite parts of old CART racing, but you solve that problem with the turbo button. KERS just adds weight, I think it's a disadvantage to cars running it at most tracks, therefore if it's not mandatory, it won't be researched well enough to function, much less make advancements. They need to put it on the back burner for several years and let the nerds work on batteries while Formula goes racing.
May 5, 2010 | 01:15 PM
#709
May 5, 2010 | 03:29 PM
#710
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From their website: http://www.flybridsystems.com/F1System.html
The key system features are:
1) A flywheel made of steel and carbon fibre which rotates at over 60,000 RPM inside an evacuated chamber
2) The flywheel casing features containment to avoid the escape of any debris in the unlikely event of a flywheel failure
3) The flywheel is connected to the transmission of the car on the output side of the gearbox via several fixed ratios, a clutch and the CVT
4) 60 kW power transmission in either storage or recovery
5) 400 kJ of usable storage (after accounting for internal losses)
6) A total system weight of 25 kg
7) A total packaging volume of 13 litres
Here's more from the website....."An electric motor generator is connected to the flywheel allowing a DC voltage to be stored or recovered. The electrical power is used to spin up the flywheel and when the power is turned off the flywheel continues to spin. To recover the power as electricity the motor generator is used to generate electricity thus slowing down the flywheel. Flybrid have built and tested a 530 kJ, 60 kW storage system that weighs just 27 kg. This system is designed for vehicle mounted short-term storage applications and has been developed in conjunction with Magneti Marelli Motorsport."
From the pictures on their website, it looks like they've incorporated a turbine generator with battery storage system on the end of a transmission.
The key system features are:
1) A flywheel made of steel and carbon fibre which rotates at over 60,000 RPM inside an evacuated chamber
2) The flywheel casing features containment to avoid the escape of any debris in the unlikely event of a flywheel failure
3) The flywheel is connected to the transmission of the car on the output side of the gearbox via several fixed ratios, a clutch and the CVT
4) 60 kW power transmission in either storage or recovery
5) 400 kJ of usable storage (after accounting for internal losses)
6) A total system weight of 25 kg
7) A total packaging volume of 13 litres
Here's more from the website....."An electric motor generator is connected to the flywheel allowing a DC voltage to be stored or recovered. The electrical power is used to spin up the flywheel and when the power is turned off the flywheel continues to spin. To recover the power as electricity the motor generator is used to generate electricity thus slowing down the flywheel. Flybrid have built and tested a 530 kJ, 60 kW storage system that weighs just 27 kg. This system is designed for vehicle mounted short-term storage applications and has been developed in conjunction with Magneti Marelli Motorsport."
From the pictures on their website, it looks like they've incorporated a turbine generator with battery storage system on the end of a transmission.
I need a dog to tear that cat apart!
Later, Ken
May 7, 2010 | 05:16 AM
#711
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Barcelona: Friday Practice Results
1 Lewis Hamilton
McLaren
21 1:21.134
2 Jenson Button
McLaren
14
1:21.672
3 M Schumacher
Mercedes
12
1:21.716
4
M Webber
RedBull
27
1:22.011
5 S Vettel
RedBull
22
1:22.026
6
N Rosberg
Mercedes
19
1:22.070
7 R Kubica
Renault
22
1:22.202
8
F Alonso
Ferrari
19
1:22.258
9
Vitaly Petrov
Renault
23
1:22.397
10
Kobayashi
BMW
26
1:22.492
11
S Bueimi
Toro Rosso
24
1:22.588
12 F Massa
Ferrari
22
1:22.975
13
Paul di Resta
Force India
21
1:23.030
14
J Alguesuari
Toro Rosso
31
1:23.110
15
Luizzi
Force India
19
1:23.284
16
R Barrichello
Williams
22 1:23.312
17
N Hulkenberg
Williams
20
1:23.471
18
H Kovalainen
Lotus
17
1:25.329
19 J Trulli
Lotus
20
1:26.244
20 Timo Glock
Virgin
23
1:26.340
21
Di Grazzi
Virgin
24
1:26.694
22 Christian Klien
HRT
26
1:27.250
23 B Senna
HRT
27
1:27.752
24
De La Rosa
BMW
3
Later, Ken
McLaren
21 1:21.134
2 Jenson Button
McLaren
14
1:21.672
3 M Schumacher
Mercedes
12
1:21.716
4
M Webber
RedBull
27
1:22.011
5 S Vettel
RedBull
22
1:22.026
6
N Rosberg
Mercedes
19
1:22.070
7 R Kubica
Renault
22
1:22.202
8
F Alonso
Ferrari
19
1:22.258
9
Vitaly Petrov
Renault
23
1:22.397
10
Kobayashi
BMW
26
1:22.492
11
S Bueimi
Toro Rosso
24
1:22.588
12 F Massa
Ferrari
22
1:22.975
13
Paul di Resta
Force India
21
1:23.030
14
J Alguesuari
Toro Rosso
31
1:23.110
15
Luizzi
Force India
19
1:23.284
16
R Barrichello
Williams
22 1:23.312
17
N Hulkenberg
Williams
20
1:23.471
18
H Kovalainen
Lotus
17
1:25.329
19 J Trulli
Lotus
20
1:26.244
20 Timo Glock
Virgin
23
1:26.340
21
Di Grazzi
Virgin
24
1:26.694
22 Christian Klien
HRT
26
1:27.250
23 B Senna
HRT
27
1:27.752
24
De La Rosa
BMW
3
Later, Ken
Last edited by KPerez; May 7, 2010 at 05:23 AM.
May 7, 2010 | 06:27 AM
#712
That would be amazing if the longer wheelbase car ended up making that much of a difference for Schumacher. If this holds up and he's a legit podium contendor moving forward, then I think he very well may be a championship contendor again next year when he and Brawn are given the opportunity to develop the car from start to finish.
May 7, 2010 | 07:50 AM
#713
That would be amazing if the longer wheelbase car ended up making that much of a difference for Schumacher. If this holds up and he's a legit podium contendor moving forward, then I think he very well may be a championship contendor again next year when he and Brawn are given the opportunity to develop the car from start to finish.
May 7, 2010 | 08:35 AM
#714
The King is riding with Sauber. What more could anyone ask for? 
Maybe with his help I can start climbing out of the EvoM F1 league cellar... ugh.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83359
l8r)
Maybe with his help I can start climbing out of the EvoM F1 league cellar... ugh.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83359
l8r)
May 7, 2010 | 08:54 AM
#715
The King is riding with Sauber. What more could anyone ask for?
Maybe with his help I can start climbing out of the EvoM F1 league cellar... ugh.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83359
l8r)
Maybe with his help I can start climbing out of the EvoM F1 league cellar... ugh.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83359
l8r)
May 7, 2010 | 08:59 AM
#716
I think they should make De La Rosa and Kobayashi wear helmets that look like the King.
l8r)
May 7, 2010 | 09:23 AM
#717
May 8, 2010 | 07:59 AM
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Barcelona: Qualy
Commentators all taking about Schumi beating Rosberg as the big news today when, in fact, there was something more startling.....Kobay to Q3..again but w/o crazy weather! Yes, I am completely biased but cannot control myself...2 sec from Weber@1 and one from Hamilton in third. Key, as in James, seems to have provided some magic to Sauber team...now they need to extract some more speed out of the C29 chassis...of course, I am hoping that Kobay can stay out of trouble and make it to the end...for once!
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
Last edited by KPerez; May 8, 2010 at 08:08 AM.
May 8, 2010 | 08:23 AM
#720
Seriously though, it's nice to see things start to turn around for his season. Same as you, I haven't given up on the kid just yet.