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IMO Webber just wasn't paying attention - complete lack of judgment and patience. Why on earth would he draft the Lotus that close going into the corner? It's not like waiting for a better passing opportunity would have made his race any worse. Furthermore, the two were racing for position, so Webber's comment about "Heikki should have moved over" is completely ludicrous. Made for an entertaining race, though. ![Wink](https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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To GG: Yes, something has got to be done to allow the new teams to become more competitive not only before the season starts but also during the season when those teams with $$ can make more improvements and increase their speed further resulting in larger and larger speed gaps to develop over time. The >100% rule only puts the axe over their head...something definitive, like testing for the new teams as U suggest, is needed...otherwise we will see more of this in upcoming races.
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IMO Webber just wasn't paying attention - complete lack of judgment and patience. Why on earth would he draft the Lotus that close going into the corner? It's not like waiting for a better passing opportunity would have made his race any worse. Furthermore, the two were racing for position, so Webber's comment about "Heikki should have moved over" is completely ludicrous. Made for an entertaining race, though. ![Wink](https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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Conspiracy!...oops
This (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84896) is what U have to do after speaking out in the heat of the moment....apologize, apologize and then some more.
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Edit: although he is including all the teams, not just the new ones
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he did get a drive through penalty. but he was in second, with kobi following WAAAAY behind him holding everyone else up. so once he pulls in, drives through the pit lane, and exits, he had only lost 12-15 seconds and exited still in front of kobi. and with everyone unable to pass kobi, hamilton pulls away again with clear road.
this track is definately one of the worst for passing. but excellent result for vettel! webber got lucky he was unhurt!
this track is definately one of the worst for passing. but excellent result for vettel! webber got lucky he was unhurt!
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2011 Adjustable Rear Wings: McLaren Hypocracy
Whitlash, head of McLaren is now saying, Hold on, we need to evaluate the consequences of adding an adjustable rear wing next season for we do not know the consequences of such a change(http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84914).
This is rather ironic that the team who, in their own "laboratories", saw a hole in the existing 2010 reg's, proceeded to invent the F-duct to increase straight line speed for their own advantage, is now saying, after all teams now know and agreed to ban same and install instead the adjustable rear wing for 2011, "Wait a minute we have to be careful about this modification to make sure it is right for F1"(paraphrasing here)...what is he talking about?...it was ok for McLaren to use their F-duct as long as everyone else did not have one; in short good for McLaren, who cares about F1...a bit hypocrital ehh Mr. Whitlash?
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This is rather ironic that the team who, in their own "laboratories", saw a hole in the existing 2010 reg's, proceeded to invent the F-duct to increase straight line speed for their own advantage, is now saying, after all teams now know and agreed to ban same and install instead the adjustable rear wing for 2011, "Wait a minute we have to be careful about this modification to make sure it is right for F1"(paraphrasing here)...what is he talking about?...it was ok for McLaren to use their F-duct as long as everyone else did not have one; in short good for McLaren, who cares about F1...a bit hypocrital ehh Mr. Whitlash?
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Adjustable Rear Wing: Specifics
Ross Brawn is head of FOTA technical committee, probably because he saw and raised loophole for DD last year and no one listened, has indicated how the rear wing adjustment will work. One criticism by Jarno Trulli is safety, namely if going into a turn from the straight and wing fails to return to high downforce position...bang. However, according to Brawn description this should not happen: "The way it works is that the front of the flap lifts up, it is not the back of the flap going down. So the main plane and the flap will be horizontal and, if there is a failure, the wing will drop back into its fully loaded position...Current plans to allow a 10mm slot gap in the rear wing to open up to a 50mm slot gap may be trimmed back if teams find the cars get more than a 10 km/h straight-line speed boost..."Now comes the sticky part...when to use it and it is here they get it all wrong: "What we now have to define carefully is when you are allowed to use that facility. The idea is for some sort of calculated proximity based on the section times and loops in the track - so when a car is close enough he will have the message that he is close enough and he can use it for the next period, part of the lap or a complete lap, and reduce the drag on the straight."
As indicated earlier, IMHO have the wing driver operated at all times, not just for the rear car...it is stupid to have the lead car not be able make same adjustment as the rear car. But U say, then there is no advantage, so why have it at all? The aero design with and w/o wing in down/low drag position could be a significant advantage to the team that does it right.
Later, Ken
As indicated earlier, IMHO have the wing driver operated at all times, not just for the rear car...it is stupid to have the lead car not be able make same adjustment as the rear car. But U say, then there is no advantage, so why have it at all? The aero design with and w/o wing in down/low drag position could be a significant advantage to the team that does it right.
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^^^^^ To me, all of this is just FOTA and the FIA accepting that all of the changes they've made to the cars over at least the last few years to increase passing have simply not worked, so instead they're going to take a different route and just make it easier for the following car to get it done with a top speed advantage. It's a real give-up.
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^ I say the first half of the season last year looked promising (minus the Brawn) but the FIA screwed up when they made the larger valume diffuser legal. That was a bad move, if you want to see passing in F1, they have to get those diffusers off the cars. That will be a step in the right direction...
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^ I say the first half of the season last year looked promising (minus the Brawn) but the FIA screwed up when they made the larger valume diffuser legal. That was a bad move, if you want to see passing in F1, they have to get those diffusers off the cars. That will be a step in the right direction...
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Silverstone: Tires
This from Bridgestone: "The track was previously one of the most severe for the tyres in terms of layout and circuit roughness on the calendar. The new layout, if anything, makes it more punishing, and certainly too severe to bring our super soft compound.
The additional straight means that the average speed should be higher than before. Entering the new section, the right hand turn at Abbey should create high lateral forces[cars will not lift, so flat out]...We are hopeful of a good spectacle with the soft and hard compound tyres and certainly will learn a lot from the new configuration."
While Bridgestone claims to have this covered with these two tires, the new track has not been tested with F1 cars...we shall see whether their predictions via GP2 races hold up.
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The additional straight means that the average speed should be higher than before. Entering the new section, the right hand turn at Abbey should create high lateral forces[cars will not lift, so flat out]...We are hopeful of a good spectacle with the soft and hard compound tyres and certainly will learn a lot from the new configuration."
While Bridgestone claims to have this covered with these two tires, the new track has not been tested with F1 cars...we shall see whether their predictions via GP2 races hold up.
Later, Ken