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Sep 27, 2010, 11:25 AM
#1171
The accident between Weber and Hamilton was a racing incident and I too am glad the stewards got it right.
Bottom line: Hamilton should've made more room in the inside for Weber as he was passing him. Why? Because he wasn't fully ahead of Weber (nose to tail), he didn't and he paid for it big time. Perhaps even ruining his chances in the championship. This is racing and no one is going to give you an inch.
Bottom line: Hamilton should've made more room in the inside for Weber as he was passing him. Why? Because he wasn't fully ahead of Weber (nose to tail), he didn't and he paid for it big time. Perhaps even ruining his chances in the championship. This is racing and no one is going to give you an inch.
Sep 27, 2010, 11:39 AM
#1172
Speaking of "giving an inch"... I notice no drivers are giving Schumacher any respect. Even the most junior of drivers are cutting off Schumacher. You see how one driver (Heidfeld?) just collided with Schumacher causing him to spin around and have to come into get a new front wing?
This would never happen before. Schumacher used to be a God... and everybody stayed the eff out of his way. Now the "masters" are Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel and Webber. Everybody will give Webber room because they know that if you don't... you are going to end up crashing... lol Isn't that the same fear Senna inspired?
This would never happen before. Schumacher used to be a God... and everybody stayed the eff out of his way. Now the "masters" are Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel and Webber. Everybody will give Webber room because they know that if you don't... you are going to end up crashing... lol Isn't that the same fear Senna inspired?
Sep 27, 2010, 12:11 PM
#1173
Weber/Hamilton:
I've been in both situations, albeit karting. It's a racing incident. Weber had no room to adjust and wasn't going to brake to make space. Louis thinks he has the pass completed and tries to set up for the next corner.
Until you've driven competetively it's just pointing fingers to who's at fault. Even if you have, it's a tough to wrap your head around. I used to be good friends with someone, and the same situation came up. We have not spoken in a while.
Interesting enough, the same series of events just about unfolded when Kubica was making his way back to 6th, at the same corner.
I've been in both situations, albeit karting. It's a racing incident. Weber had no room to adjust and wasn't going to brake to make space. Louis thinks he has the pass completed and tries to set up for the next corner.
Until you've driven competetively it's just pointing fingers to who's at fault. Even if you have, it's a tough to wrap your head around. I used to be good friends with someone, and the same situation came up. We have not spoken in a while.
Interesting enough, the same series of events just about unfolded when Kubica was making his way back to 6th, at the same corner.
Sep 27, 2010, 12:16 PM
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weber / hamilton incident......
hamilton once again proves he makes more bad decisions during crunch-time....3rd year in a row!
IMO weber should have received a drive-through...weber would have struck hamilton in the side if he was over another 10 feet.
you just cant drive into someone because they get a run on you...if webers previous racing line through that corner was to always stick his left wheel over the curb before the apex, then it was a racing incident....but that wasnt the case.
fkn louis pisses away what could have been his 3rd championship......
hamilton once again proves he makes more bad decisions during crunch-time....3rd year in a row!
IMO weber should have received a drive-through...weber would have struck hamilton in the side if he was over another 10 feet.
you just cant drive into someone because they get a run on you...if webers previous racing line through that corner was to always stick his left wheel over the curb before the apex, then it was a racing incident....but that wasnt the case.
fkn louis pisses away what could have been his 3rd championship......
oh, and anyone want to start taking bets on if anyone is going to intentionally crash as the final races approach? i can sense a lot of tension building between RB and MC.
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Sep 28, 2010, 05:23 AM
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Silly Season: Part III
This from Boullier, Renault team principle: "I decided to tell some drivers that we will not carry on discussions with them, so we [k]now wait and see - but Kimi remains one of our scenarios...I have said many times that I want to meet with him first before we do anything more. I want to understand more about his wish to come back."
So if Kimi convinces Boullier that he truely wants to return to F1, Petrov is history...down to one of the new teams or out the door.
My prediction: Kimi will be back for '11'
Later, Ken
So if Kimi convinces Boullier that he truely wants to return to F1, Petrov is history...down to one of the new teams or out the door.
My prediction: Kimi will be back for '11'
Later, Ken
Sep 28, 2010, 05:47 AM
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Weber/Hamilton:
I've been in both situations, albeit karting. It's a racing incident. Weber had no room to adjust and wasn't going to brake to make space. Louis thinks he has the pass completed and tries to set up for the next corner.
Until you've driven competetively it's just pointing fingers to who's at fault. Even if you have, it's a tough to wrap your head around. I used to be good friends with someone, and the same situation came up. We have not spoken in a while.
Interesting enough, the same series of events just about unfolded when Kubica was making his way back to 6th, at the same corner.
I've been in both situations, albeit karting. It's a racing incident. Weber had no room to adjust and wasn't going to brake to make space. Louis thinks he has the pass completed and tries to set up for the next corner.
Until you've driven competetively it's just pointing fingers to who's at fault. Even if you have, it's a tough to wrap your head around. I used to be good friends with someone, and the same situation came up. We have not spoken in a while.
Interesting enough, the same series of events just about unfolded when Kubica was making his way back to 6th, at the same corner.
From what I can recall, Hamilton not completely passed Weber in the turn...rather along side but in front of and Weber, a that point, had two options: back off and let Hamilton through OR hold his line. He chose the latter and went into Hamilton. IMHO one makes a pass when it can be achieved successfully...Hamilton banked on Weber lifting... in short, he relied on Weber letting him through...he should have known Weber was not going to do this AND should have attempted to pass at a point where his driving skills, independent of Weber's intentions, would have enabled a legitament pass.
Later, Ken
Sep 28, 2010, 05:58 AM
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This from Boullier, Renault team principle: "I decided to tell some drivers that we will not carry on discussions with them, so we [k]now wait and see - but Kimi remains one of our scenarios...I have said many times that I want to meet with him first before we do anything more. I want to understand more about his wish to come back."
So if Kimi convinces Boullier that he truely wants to return to F1, Petrov is history...down to one of the new teams or out the door.
My prediction: Kimi will be back for '11'
Later, Ken
So if Kimi convinces Boullier that he truely wants to return to F1, Petrov is history...down to one of the new teams or out the door.
My prediction: Kimi will be back for '11'
Later, Ken
Someone else seems to agree: "For those who thought it was a fair and sensible move (Brundle) where was his car going to go after he braked? He was behind Hamilton, he was on far too tight a line to make the corner alongside Hamilton, it was obvious he couldn't make the turn and avoid hitting the McLaren."
From what I can recall, Hamilton not completely passed Weber in the turn...rather along side but in front of and Weber, a that point, had two options: back off and let Hamilton through OR hold his line. He chose the latter and went into Hamilton. IMHO one makes a pass when it can be achieved successfully...Hamilton banked on Weber lifting... in short, he relied on Weber letting him through...he should have known Weber was not going to do this AND should have attempted to pass at a point where his driving skills, independent of Weber's intentions, would have enabled a legitament pass.
Later, Ken
From what I can recall, Hamilton not completely passed Weber in the turn...rather along side but in front of and Weber, a that point, had two options: back off and let Hamilton through OR hold his line. He chose the latter and went into Hamilton. IMHO one makes a pass when it can be achieved successfully...Hamilton banked on Weber lifting... in short, he relied on Weber letting him through...he should have known Weber was not going to do this AND should have attempted to pass at a point where his driving skills, independent of Weber's intentions, would have enabled a legitament pass.
Later, Ken
Sep 28, 2010, 08:19 AM
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Hamilton banked on Weber lifting... in short, he relied on Weber letting him through...he should have known Weber was not going to do this AND should have attempted to pass at a point where his driving skills, independent of Weber's intentions, would have enabled a legitament pass.
I think hind sight is 20/20 here. Maybe we can move on now?
How about that fire?!?
Sep 28, 2010, 04:38 PM
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2 things....
1) From the looks of things, Vettel would have walked away from Alonso if positions after the 1st corner had been reversed. Looked like he was just hanging out behind Alonso the entire race. IIRC, at one point he even made the comment...I'm not pushing.
2) Where did Ferrari find this pace to even be in the position to win pole? Is it a matter of the new and more stringent testing procedures for chassis and/or wing stiffness slowing down RB and McLaren, Ferrari spending more money on developing/improving their car compared to any of their competitors, or a combination of the two?
1) From the looks of things, Vettel would have walked away from Alonso if positions after the 1st corner had been reversed. Looked like he was just hanging out behind Alonso the entire race. IIRC, at one point he even made the comment...I'm not pushing.
2) Where did Ferrari find this pace to even be in the position to win pole? Is it a matter of the new and more stringent testing procedures for chassis and/or wing stiffness slowing down RB and McLaren, Ferrari spending more money on developing/improving their car compared to any of their competitors, or a combination of the two?
Sep 28, 2010, 05:34 PM
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Both Webber and Hailton are aggressive, and those things might happen, but Hamilton was pretty much around him. I think Webber should have atleast gotten a drive-thru. But maybe I'm just biased. I'm ok with Webber, but he's been a little whiny with the whole number two talk.
Sep 29, 2010, 08:41 PM
#1181
Hmm, I can't speak for Hamilton, or know what he was thinking at the time, any more than anyone else can. What I can say is when, driving I'm only thinking about what it is that I need to do in order to make the pass. I can't take time to anticipate what the other drivers are potentially going to do. Mostly because time is critical, and also because there are too many variables to come away with the correct outcome.
What a crazy fire situation, I'm surprised Heikke was so calm the entire time. I was saying to myself, "Dude!!! Abandon ship already!"
Sep 30, 2010, 04:17 AM
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2 things....
1) From the looks of things, Vettel would have walked away from Alonso if positions after the 1st corner had been reversed. Looked like he was just hanging out behind Alonso the entire race. IIRC, at one point he even made the comment...I'm not pushing.
2) Where did Ferrari find this pace to even be in the position to win pole? Is it a matter of the new and more stringent testing procedures for chassis and/or wing stiffness slowing down RB and McLaren, Ferrari spending more money on developing/improving their car compared to any of their competitors, or a combination of the two?
1) From the looks of things, Vettel would have walked away from Alonso if positions after the 1st corner had been reversed. Looked like he was just hanging out behind Alonso the entire race. IIRC, at one point he even made the comment...I'm not pushing.
2) Where did Ferrari find this pace to even be in the position to win pole? Is it a matter of the new and more stringent testing procedures for chassis and/or wing stiffness slowing down RB and McLaren, Ferrari spending more money on developing/improving their car compared to any of their competitors, or a combination of the two?
Later, Ken
Sep 30, 2010, 08:14 AM
#1184
These R good points: it appears that after the FIA decided to check the chassis flex, RB has lost its edge...that said, Vettel was quickest until Q3 but think that was driver/traffic and associated skill/conditions were the cause(s)...and it is very difficult to pass at Singapore especially for the leaders with their pace keeping enough rubber to finish.
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
One more speculative comment....any chance their quick improvement has anything to do with Pat Fry joining them on July 1st? Could they theoretically implement any of the tricks he carried over from McLaren on this year's Ferrari in a matter of weeks? Hard to imagine, but there has to be some sort of explanation for how quickly they improved their car.
Note to McLaren. You should have simply hired Stepney in '07. It would have saved you millions and a World Championship.
Sep 30, 2010, 12:58 PM
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So, I guess Weber should have anticipated Hamilton passing him in that corner because he clearly knew there was a tire advatage to Hamilton, in escence, avoiding the situatoion all together?
The "space" is normally given in courtesy (racing ettiquete), not anticipation. The only thing I shoud be able to "anticipate" is you controlling, your vehicle.
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