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Old Oct 23, 2010, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by grillpt
No shockers after quali... The race should be interesting.
Especially if it rains. 50% chance of rain last time I looked. Gonna be an awesome race either way.
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Vettel Victory: The Finger

I have tried to remain silent in the past but this latest is" the straw that ....Vettel needs to rethink his victory sign (http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...korean-gp-pole)...I get confused as what it means...could it be: "After F1 racing, I am a going to be a great proctocolgist!"or " I have just discovered the most amazing thing on my index finger!"?...I mean come on!... with the finger...can't U come up with something else?...I NO being on that podium is a big deal but...rethink the victory celebration.

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Ahhh, don't know whether to stay up until 1:30 and watch the race... or watch it tomorrow at 4:30 when they re-play it. I don't have DVR

I know if I don't watch it at 1:30, I won't be able to help myself and check the results first thing in the morning before watching it at 4:30.

Looking forward to it. I watched qualifying. I looks like some heavy duty use of the steering wheel. Constant turning.
Old Oct 23, 2010, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KPerez
I have tried to remain silent in the past but this latest is" the straw that ....Vettel needs to rethink his victory sign (http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...korean-gp-pole)...I get confused as what it means...could it be: "After F1 racing, I am a going to be a great proctocolgist!"or " I have just discovered the most amazing thing on my index finger!"?...I mean come on!... with the finger...can't U come up with something else?...I NO being on that podium is a big deal but...rethink the victory celebration.

Later, Ken
I thought he was giving the finger at first.

In that article it talks about his slow practice times. I've never been one to get wrapped up in practice times. They don't mean anything. I don't understand why anybody even talks about them. They're just that, practice. to get reacquainted with the track. That bugs me for some reason.
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So very mad at my DVR! Even with extended recording on I didn't get the last 20 or so laps=/.
Old Oct 24, 2010, 07:57 AM
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^and missed Petrov dnf ... again ... if he is racing next year, it probably will be in a bumper car for that is the only thing he may be able to cross the finish line.

That race was F1's answer to vehicular mud wrestling...felt sorry for Weber...he now needs to put the head down and grind...four left for the champ.

Kobay still pts leader for rookies...yes, he is a rookie...discounting two runs with Toyota...I missed the weather towards the end but I wonder what the outcomes would have been if some had changed from super wets to super wets i.e., did not change to inters...perhaps they would have lasted and been able to move up as a result?

Later, Ken
Old Oct 24, 2010, 08:26 AM
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I was trying SOOO hard to stay awake o watch but they kept putting it off due to rain. I ended up falling asleep with the race on. I had woken up JUST in time to see the podium celebration :-/ I only saw the first few laps behind the pace car.
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Stayed up for the whole thing. Crazy race. Sucks Webber spun off but it was his own fault.
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Yeah that one was a bit of marathon for the Western States. Had the DVR going as insurance, thinking with all the race stoppage I'd fall asleep. Extended that recording once it looked like the race was going to actually happen. Ended up with 3hr52 minutes of F-1 broadcast, was that longer than Malaysia 2009? Once the Safety Car left it was a pretty lively race though. One of the few times Hammy hasn't been class of the field in the wet. Maybe they ought to put headlights on the cars...
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Most exciting race this year. At first I was a little dissapointed about the 17 laps behind the pace car when it looked they probably could have started on laps 10-11. I was tired as hell and almost fell asleep a couple of times but I had some coffee... then a coke...... then a redbull and I think I finally went to sleep at about 8 or 9ish this morning but the race was worth the wait.

And then there were four? Im not entirely sure but I think everyone of them is now on their final engine. I didnt really expect an engine failure from the redbull considering alonso's engine had to be worked on in order to even make the grid but knowing ferrari a "water pump leak" could be code for secret experimental parts going onto the car because they arrived late. pure speculation but hey, whats f1 without a little speculation. I gotta say I dont feel sorry for weber it was his own fault. did anyone else catch the part where they said it looked like he had been crying?
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^ if he wasn't, he should have been!!

Later, Ken
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Originally Posted by Planet-F1

WINNERS AND LOSERS OF THE KOREAN GP

Star of the Race


Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, 1st

Alonso made few mistakes in the trickiest of grand prix conditions. He looked after his tyres brilliantly in the latter half of the race, put pressure on Sebastian Vettel and at the end of the race was going two seconds a lap quicker than the next fastest man - even though he didn't really need to.

Clearly it helped that Webber took himself and Rosberg (who looked pretty racy today) out, that Hamilton handed a place back to him and that Vettel's engine expired, but there was no other driver out there better than him.

On a superstitions note: after the race was over and the podium trio gathered in the room traditionally guarded by serious, beardy unsmiling guy who gives out the caps (that must be quite a job, transporting three hats and three watches from race to race), Alonso stopped from towelling his hair and went and hugged the wall. Is this a Spanish tradition, a bit like touching wood or was he reaching out to someone beyond the door who we didn't see? I prefer the former explanation and look forward to some more post-race wall hugging, as will most Ferrari fans. Beautiful. Grande. Avanti.

Overtaking move of the Race
Lap 19, Nico Rosberg on Lewis Hamilton for P4
Rosberg's pass on Hamilton was textbook stuff. Lewis Hamilton is not the easiest guy to overtake but sensibly gave way once he realised that Rosberg had the inside line into Turn 3. This was the place that Lewis was meant to stroll past everyone, but it didn't happen.

Winners

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 2nd
Lewis got lucky on a day where he could easily have ended up in fifth place had things not gone his way. As it was, just keeping your car in one piece was the order of the day. Usually in a race it's Lewis who makes things happen. Today he didn't have the car to push anyone. He kept Taz in the box and ended up second. Although he'll probably wonder what might have been if he hadn't gone off-track following the Lap 35 restart.

Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 3rd
Felipe oh so nearly followed Mark Webber into the barrier late on in the race and that would have given MSC the podium that we all predicted he would get in about Race 3 or 4 (on the way to thrashing the pants off Nico Rosberg). That's probably as close as Michael is going to get to the podium this year, but not necessarily Felipe, who is normally guaranteed a bit of a re-soolt in Brazil.

Massa is never at his best in slippy races but held it together manfully, much to the delight of his Ferrari pitcrew. Considering it was his best result after a lot of disappointment Felipe didn't look as thrilled as you might have expected in the circumstances. He gave Fernando a pretty joyless greeting in Parc Ferme and was nit exactly bubbling in the post race interviews.

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, 4th
First Kubica and then Button, Schumi made some elegant passing moves on his way to fourth place. Tripping over the grass and run-off at Turn 3 on Lap 8 (behind the SC) and converting his silver arrow to a muddy arrow wasn't quite so elegant, but it's in the nature of Michael to explore where all the grip is and he never wastes time behind the Safety Car - Big Blue is always at work.

Robert Kubica, Renault, 5th
A bit of a quiet race for Robert. Good points and rare for him to fall behind Petrov on track. Not quite so rare to see Kubica reach the finish line first.

Tonio Liuzzi, Force India, 6th

Liuzzi finally got the better of Adrian Sutil. He wasn't faultless, but compared to Sutil's performance on track, he was as good as a computer simulation.

Korean GP Track
Considering this was more a regional project than a national one, the oganisers did a fantastic job to get the circuit completed in time.

It looks an interesting track with an immediate character all its own. The few major faults are design ones. If Hermann Tilke is going to design Monaco-style sections to a track on virgin land, where he doesn't need to, then he should design in Monaco-style car recovery solutions.

And if you're going to wall in a very long straight with no run-off either side, then better to do it in a climate where it doesn't rain much during races or else you're always going to have to use safety cars when it gets wet.

Nice to see a lot of Korean children (all photogenic) in the grandstands for the opening race. In generations to come, after the event has become a classic, people will ask them what the very first Korean GP was like and they'll say "...what was that you said?" None of them had ear defenders on and so you fear that the first experience of F1 was frighteningly loud as well as wet. I'd be surprised, though, if everyone got out of the circuit car parks in three hours.

The Stewards
How much better is the stewarding this year now that drivers are getting involved? What Max Mosley resisted for years and Jean Todt implemented has been the single biggest change for the good in 2010. Today there wasn't a single thing you would argue the toss about, despite how busy it got.

Losers

Mark Webber, Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, DNF

You don't get much of a reversal of form as the Red Bull Racing team have experienced in the last two weeks. From a dominant 1-2 in Japan, a 1-2 in Korea qualifying, to a double DNF in the race. Webber's accident was self-inflicted but he made no excuses. He's normally bullet-proof in the wet. Vettel's DNF presumably was a result of running the Renault engine at too high a rate for too long a time, given that fuel consumption was not going to be a factor after all the Safety Cars. The only thing that might comfort RBR is that Alonso is on his last engine and we're just about to go off to one of the most power demanding circuits on the calendar. This race Vettel, next race...?
Actually, now that Alonso has a whole 11 points on Mark Webber, might there be the possibility of Fernando going for a ten-place drop and taking the 9th engine at Interlagos? Because in Brazil he can make those places back, whereas if he's sat at the side of the track with a smoking Ferrari and a blown 8th engine, that's not much of a re-soolt.

Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, DNF
Desperately bad luck for Nico. He would have been on the podium today.

Vitaly Petrov
Vitaly is a cruel guy. He really knows how to torture Renault team boss Eric Boullier. After performing the usual Petrov pirouette in qualifying he lulled Eric into thinking he was actually going to pick up some points in 7th place (which would have been 6th after Vettel's exit) and then he goes and picks the one place that people aren't having a problem with and hurtles off the circuit to put another dent in the rebuilding budget.

Jenson Button
Button was in ginger whinger mode from the moment he emerged for his pit-stop behind a gaggle of cars that included two Saubers, a Toro Rosso and the track sweeping vehicle. Neither McLaren looked much of a threat today and when he did get into a position of having a go at Liuzzi and Kobayashi Adrian Sutil bundled him off the track.

Williams
On Lap 51 of 55, Williams held 5th and 6th positions with a Force India back in 8th. Williams 18 Force India 4. As they crossed the finishing line it was Liuzzi in 6th, Barrichello in 7th and Hulkenberg 10th. Williams 7 Force India 8.

It's a cruel business.

Adrian Sutil, Force India, DNF

Hardly surprising that Adrian Sutil had a brake problem, because he drove - unfamiliarly - like a tosser*. The fact that he was aware he had a brake problem yet carried on trying to makes places with risky manoeuvres, allows us to add the word 'complete'. He was very lucky that he didn't take other drivers out, apart from the blameless Kamui Kobayashi. That Sauber is a pretty robust vehicle. The stewards also took a dim view, deducted grid places and fined him $10,000. It should have been more.

Oh No, It's Tourettes Kravitz!
Tourettes was having a mild time of it this race, but he wasn't as quiet as Coulthard. A pretty graceless David Coulthard skulked around Mission Control in Woking instead of helping out the height difference between Jake Humphry and Eddie Jordan in Yeongam. His absence from Korea wasn't properly explained either. A stupid point, but I've now got this vision in my head of DC as Quagmire from Family Guy and it won't go away. And this race was even worse because they must have been using a wide angle lens to get into the tight confines of McLaren's factory. Thus DC's chin appeared like one of those cheap plastic masks of politicians that demonstrators wear in protest rallies before setting fire to a barricade. More commendable fence sitting from the unofficial Red Bull spokesman.

Brundle, hiding underneath the gullwing of the Safety Car, managed to get a nice shot of the Allianz branding on the bonnet again. With his gold necklace he's increasingly coming across like the (darts godfather) Bobby George, or Del Boy of F1. The PF1 office is trying to buy him a really cheap sheepskin jacket on E.bay.

It was interesting to hear my old mucka Tom Clarkson helping Crofty out with the commentary during pratice on Friday. Clarko accurately predicted that pole would be a 1:35 lap and delivered two great revelations to the viewing public: "in the last 30 minutes they'll concentrate on set-up" and "I think they'll find some of the grass is soft."

And finally, Jonathan Leggard was very complimentary about the fastidious nature of the crowd who had waited patiently for the race. Not only were they polite, JL said they put all their rubbish in the correct bins: "a very tidy crowd, you have to say..."

Andrew Davies

* An old naval term for the rating who runs up the bunting in port.
http://www.planet-f1.com/race-featur...Winners-Losers
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^^^^ Uhhh, I don't know what that writer is smoking, but Vettel owned the field until his engine blew, so it's fine to say that Alonso's car was the star of the race, but Vettel was THE star of that event.
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Pretty damn exciting... So glad I watched it on the re-broadcast.

I'd like to see them pave some of the run off area's, get rid of some of that dirt.
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Once the race got started it was a good race. But I thought it was kinda silly to do lap after lap after the safety car in the beginning was kinda silly. When they said they were starting behind the Safety Car I thought it was just because there was too much standing water on the track... but I didn't know they were gonna do so many laps.

Hamilton was saying on the radio after a while that the track dried up to the point where they could use intermediate tires!

I don't know what you guys think... but personally I feel like they should either start the race or stop it. Not just keep lapping behind the Safety Car.

Oh and while I'm talking about radio transmissions.... did you notice that there were no radio transmissions in the last laps of the race? Apparently the FIA didn't want people to hear about drivers complaining about the track being too dark! Apparently the race pretty much ended at night! The TV cameras made the track look a lot brighter than it was. If you want an indication of the track darkness... look at Hamilton's onboard camera right after the race. Look at how bright the lights in the building appear relative to the sky and somebody takes a picture... look how noticeable the flash is.

Hamilton was saying how he couldn't even see a car that was driving back onto the track.


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