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Old Aug 14, 2013 | 10:11 AM
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Andy, you also run a fairly low rev limiter too don't you?

Its always good to try and be smooth with all your shifting. Makes for a much happier car. Plus, 5th gear is a long shift so its not going to be quick either way. I do run a short shifter tho and it really helps.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by letMeIn
So if you are not willing to go in to 5th because you are affraid to stress your tranny, why are you doing hpde in the first place ?

You are willing to redline 4th, or basically slow down just to avoid the 5th. Hmmmmm me thinks you should be doing autoX. You wont get out of 2nd

There is a lot of stress on every aspect of the car while racing. If it breaks, its part of the game, you fix it and get back. If you want to take it easy, just save youself $ and do autoX.

I bet that guy in 300z was overtaken on straight multiple times lolz
I sense a little sarcasm in your critique. HPDE is to improve driving and track skills. If you read my initial thread topic story you would see that this was experimental to see how it would affect my overall speed, time, and quickness out of the bulb into the straight away and turn 1. I don't have a trailer to take my car to and from the track so a broken tranny on the track is the last thing I want when I have to drive 3 hours to head back home. If you have nothing positive to stay or constructive criticism, keep it to yourself.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 12:19 PM
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Never heard that before and I've been to NJMP plenty of times. Some cars actually have longer gearing, which may be why the guy stayed in fourth. My younger brother with a 240sx stays in fourth. From my experience and deing in other Evos, we hit fourth out of the bulb, and I short shift to 5th...short as in 5.5-6k rpm.

Watch some of Honda-guys videos from Lightning for good reference.
I was doing this at the beginning and provided me with the best results. Staying in fourth through the straight away at about 7500rpm before lifting, braking and turning into turn 1 actually regressed what I was doing. Thanks for the input.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mouseIX
I hit 5th gear 3 times at Road Atlanta in one lap. The only issue is my syncros are starting to grind in 5th. Granny shifting into 5th solves the problem. FYI I'm in a 5 speed RS.
same here. my 4th/5th syncro got very touchy the beginning of this season. i think the 5th gear syncro is a known weakness. new trans in and all is better.

like was said, the issue comes from loading up 5th gear at low rpm's, and it leads to engine damage not trans damage.

i have also now started running a little less boost in 5th as was mentioned out of precaution.

there is no reason at all to worry about putting the car in 5th.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptord
I don't need 5th gear on the track I frequent the most, so my input is limited at best. But in my opinion I don't see a problem with using 5th after topping out 4th from an engine health point of view.
I hit 5th in a few places at all three of my local tracks. If I don't shift to 5th, I'm going to bounce off the rev limiter and just hurt my time.



If I didn't have to arrive and drive, I would almost want to do away with my 5th cruising gear and just use 5th from an MR tranny or something.

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As for the transmission, I did hear once that high rpm shifts to 5th were hard on the synchros, but I don't have a source for that so take it with a grain of salt.
Guilty. I just started getting the crunch when going 4 -> 5 at redline. I've been shifting this way for years now so take that FWIW.

Not happy about it, starting to think about transmission rebuilds already.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 04:10 PM
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I had the 5th gear synchro crunch when I bought the car at 30k miles. When my clutch blew at 60k, I sent the tranny to Shep for a rebuild. I shift to 5th regularly on track with no worries.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by delongedoug
I had the 5th gear synchro crunch when I bought the car at 30k miles. When my clutch blew at 60k, I sent the tranny to Shep for a rebuild. I shift to 5th regularly on track with no worries.
Nice.

What does Shep do to the synchros?
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jerdeitzel
Andy, you also run a fairly low rev limiter too don't you?

Its always good to try and be smooth with all your shifting. Makes for a much happier car. Plus, 5th gear is a long shift so its not going to be quick either way. I do run a short shifter tho and it really helps.

7800rpm. I could probably go a bit higher. But even at ACC I'd still be shifting into 5th gear between 10 and 11. At RA I was going into 5th a LOT (obviously) with an average speed of about 100mph over the 4mile track.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by golgo13
Nice.

What does Shep do to the synchros?
a lot of it comes down to blueprinting/detailing/properly aligning the syncros. something that i dont believe was done too well from the factory. theres a good explanation on the jacks trans website.
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by golgo13
Nice.

What does Shep do to the synchros?
Replace them.

http://sheptrans.com/products/evo-4-...-street-strip/
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by chu
Never heard that before and I've been to NJMP plenty of times. Some cars actually have longer gearing, which may be why the guy stayed in fourth. My younger brother with a 240sx stays in fourth. From my experience and deing in other Evos, we hit fourth out of the bulb, and I short shift to 5th...short as in 5.5-6k rpm.

Watch some of Honda-guys videos from Lightning for good reference.
I thought Honda-girl didn't have stock gear ratios. He shifts to third in a lot of place I wouldn't think I could. He is a much better and experienced driver than me.

Originally Posted by JO3ymac
I was doing this at the beginning and provided me with the best results. Staying in fourth through the straight away at about 7500rpm before lifting, braking and turning into turn 1 actually regressed what I was doing. Thanks for the input.
This is just silly. If you're running novice group I could this as being ok but running higher run groups with other cars (especially German car) you'd be getting your *** run over down the straight in fourth gear. You should be entering the bulb at the top of fourth then scrubbing speed to apex then shifting to fifth just before the bump before the pit entry.

Lightning is a fast track and fifth is used often.

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Old Aug 15, 2013 | 06:01 AM
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Your senses are top notch. Your reasoning on the other hand...

You are tracking your car and are affraid to get into a gear because it may break, cause a guy in 300z said so.

Ive been doing hpde in north east for a few years now, and I drove to and from track in my evo pulling a small trailer with wheels and equipment. I know how you feel. But improving skills also means pushing car to its limits. And you should understand that sometimes it means sh•t breaks. If you redlining 4th in the straight you should know this is not te fastest way and you must shift to 5th no matter what you have heared. Im assuming you are improving your skills to go faster not slower. So shift away and what will happen will happen. Otherwise go for a nice cruize on belt parkway, and practice without worrying something will break



Originally Posted by JO3ymac
I sense a little sarcasm in your critique. HPDE is to improve driving and track skills. If you read my initial thread topic story you would see that this was experimental to see how it would affect my overall speed, time, and quickness out of the bulb into the straight away and turn 1. I don't have a trailer to take my car to and from the track so a broken tranny on the track is the last thing I want when I have to drive 3 hours to head back home. If you have nothing positive to stay or constructive criticism, keep it to yourself.
Old Aug 15, 2013 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dek0026
I thought Honda-girl didn't have stock gear ratios. He shifts to third in a lot of place I wouldn't think I could. He is a much better and experienced driver than me.



This is just silly. If you're running novice group I could this as being ok but running higher run groups with other cars (especially German car) you'd be getting your *** run over down the straight in fourth gear. You should be entering the bulb at the top of fourth then scrubbing speed to apex then shifting to fifth just before the bump before the pit entry.

Lightning is a fast track and fifth is used often.
"Ultimate ratio" is Evo 9 1st a 2nd, and Evo 8 3rd and 4th gears,and 4.11 final drive. He doesn't have the 4.11. So the gering is no different that an Evo 8.
Old Aug 15, 2013 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dek0026
I thought Honda-girl didn't have stock gear ratios. He shifts to third in a lot of place I wouldn't think I could. He is a much better and experienced driver than me.



This is just silly. If you're running novice group I could this as being ok but running higher run groups with other cars (especially German car) you'd be getting your *** run over down the straight in fourth gear. You should be entering the bulb at the top of fourth then scrubbing speed to apex then shifting to fifth just before the bump before the pit entry.

Lightning is a fast track and fifth is used often.
This.

I use 5th on both the Bridge straight and the Main straight.
Old Aug 15, 2013 | 07:57 AM
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I'd second that also.



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