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Old Jan 25, 2021 | 11:46 AM
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I recall seeing someone had an issue where the cap you put over the pump nipple wasn't seating well in the hanger and was leaking.
Old Jan 25, 2021 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Biggiesacks
I recall seeing someone had an issue where the cap you put over the pump nipple wasn't seating well in the hanger and was leaking.
Do you mean the accordion-like grommet on the outlet of the pump?
Old Jan 25, 2021 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO8LTW
Do you mean the accordion-like grommet on the outlet of the pump?
yep that's it.
Old Jan 25, 2021 | 03:04 PM
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I did drill the siphon to 9/64ths and everything is good at 100 load and down (i.e., in vacuum).with close to zero fuel trims. My scaling is about 1390 for 93, so it will scale to around 1000 on E85 when I get there. The only problem is that as I get into boost, I need too much load to get reasonable AFRs. That's why I think the pressure isn't rising 1:1. When the weather is better, I'll swap in my stock underhood return hose (bypassing the ethanol sensor loop) and re-test.
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My issues with it being too lean start well past the Hobbs switch turn-on point (around 7 psi). The actual fuel demand of my car should be the same as before, since I've only changed fuel system parts. What else could cause this? I'm stumped if it isn't the return line under the hood. The only other thing I can think of is the pump itself.
A restricted return line would be the opposite effect, create higher fuel pressure, not lower. I have a car running twin walbro 450's with the ECA sensor in the return line and it's not an issue. You have something else going on. Bad pump, clogged/clogging fuel filter assembly, oring/grommet not seated on pump outlet, or the oring on that black thing that snaps into the bottom of the pump housing next to the fuel pump.
Old Jan 25, 2021 | 03:12 PM
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I also have my ethanol sensor in my return line without issue at 30psi 600whp+

I know some domestic tuners put the sensors in the feed lines and don't have issues at 900whp.

I also would encourage you to get the ability to view fuel pressure. It helps a ton.
Old Jan 25, 2021 | 04:14 PM
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The 1650's don't really scale to what the data sheet says they are, and the latencies FIC gives aren't really close. Just food for thought. Like I think mine are scaled somewhere around 900 for E85...
900 seems super low to me. Even if you say 70% energy density of e85 over regular gas, that'd be under 1300cc. Why so much difference here? I feel something isnt adding up.
Old Jan 25, 2021 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
I also have my ethanol sensor in my return line without issue at 30psi 600whp+

I know some domestic tuners put the sensors in the feed lines and don't have issues at 900whp.

I also would encourage you to get the ability to view fuel pressure. It helps a ton.
I'm not worried about the sensor being a restriction. I'm worried about the 90 degree quick disconnects that I used. But, what you guys are saying about a restriction in the return not lowering fuel pressure makes sense to me.

It occurred to me tonight that I may be able to mount my oil pressure sensor in the fuel rail and datalog fuel pressure that way temporarily.
Old Jan 25, 2021 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO8LTW
I'm not worried about the sensor being a restriction. I'm worried about the 90 degree quick disconnects that I used. But, what you guys are saying about a restriction in the return not lowering fuel pressure makes sense to me.

It occurred to me tonight that I may be able to mount my oil pressure sensor in the fuel rail and datalog fuel pressure that way temporarily.
90’s won’t make a difference as long as the internal radius isn’t choked. I have like a billion 90’s in my fuel system with the surge tank and what not.

I have my pressure sensor right before the rail. I also have one on the surge tank. Your thinking would work just fine.
Old Jan 25, 2021 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
900 seems super low to me. Even if you say 70% energy density of e85 over regular gas, that'd be under 1300cc. Why so much difference here? I feel something isnt adding up.
On my car, I’m at 1392 with the 1650s on 93, so should be around 1070 on E85. With my old FIC1050s, I was at 1008 on 93. The 1650s do seem to “run small.”

The load discrepancy I’m seeing is about 15-20% higher with the 1650s at 20 psi. Who knows...maybe it’s fine and tuning in 40 degree weather vs 80 degree weather is throwing me off because the air temp compensation tables are off. I think my next step is going to be monitoring fuel pressure. I hate messing with the pump and my tank is full anyway.
Old Jan 26, 2021 | 09:08 AM
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the new buddy club seat rails have arrived. now back to waiting on those seats.... eta, april-may
Old Jan 26, 2021 | 09:14 AM
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Ugh, that reminds me I need to go ***** at Vivid for this 2mo wait if yours showed up right away.

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Old Jan 26, 2021 | 09:20 AM
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that said, evasive may have had it already in stock - not sure.
Old Jan 26, 2021 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
900 seems super low to me. Even if you say 70% energy density of e85 over regular gas, that'd be under 1300cc. Why so much difference here? I feel something isnt adding up.
All depends on how the other fuel stuff is setup- MAP/VE, RPM/VE and how the fuel table looks. I don't think Aaron tuned my car wrong

Old Jan 26, 2021 | 11:54 AM
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35-40% volume hit is what I believe is more commonly used when scaling for E-85. That would put 1650 in the upper 900 range. Ethanol actually has higher viscosity than gasoline so that also factors in. Then there are just all the other tables and settings like LGTD was mentioning plus more that play a role. It's really up to the tuner how they want to approach turning the dials.
Old Jan 26, 2021 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
The 1650's don't really scale to what the data sheet says they are, and the latencies FIC gives aren't really close. Just food for thought. Like I think mine are scaled somewhere around 900 for E85...

Also, did you drill the siphon tube to 9/64"?



On the "fun" tune, my car does 39psi on the hit. Too much boost for a JDM 3bar.
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Hey Dallas,

Who did you order the rails/sliders from? I just checked and I believe these are all I need for my recaros:

https://www.evasivemotorsports.com/s...89-03-07-left/
https://www.evasivemotorsports.com/s...9-03-07-right/

I called Evasive today and they confirmed that everything is in stock so I went ahead and ordered.
Finally got a response from Vivid and they said its now pushed back another month to 2/26. So MFG is just giving numbers at that point and will probably slip further. Canceling with them and sent Evasive an email to see if they have it in stock and yours wasnt the last.
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