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#1681
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The problem with trail braking up to the apex is you overload the front tires and sacrafice lateral accel. You have to free the car up before the apex or you are going slower than necessary. If I'm not 100% off the brakes and using only tire scrub and trailing throttle to modulate speed and balance by about 1/3 through the corner I would consider that over driving.
If you have to keep a toe on the brakes all the way to the apex to manage understeer you have a setup problem IMO. My goal is to make adjustments using the correct "knob". Meaning use the brakes for braking, use the diffs to limit wheelspin, use the suspension to adjust handling and don't use the brakes to adjust handling, or the suspension to limit wheelspin.
If you have to keep a toe on the brakes all the way to the apex to manage understeer you have a setup problem IMO. My goal is to make adjustments using the correct "knob". Meaning use the brakes for braking, use the diffs to limit wheelspin, use the suspension to adjust handling and don't use the brakes to adjust handling, or the suspension to limit wheelspin.
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#1682
The problem with trail braking up to the apex is you overload the front tires and sacrafice lateral accel. You have to free the car up before the apex or you are going slower than necessary. If I'm not 100% off the brakes and using only tire scrub and trailing throttle to modulate speed and balance by about 1/3 through the corner I would consider that over driving.
#1683
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Yeah, I find trail braking certainly helps a lot more in cars that aren't already 58-60% front heavy. In the Evo I just concentrate on smoothly releasing the brakes as i turn in, but I've never found it to need brake input all the way to the apex. If I have to trail the brakes too much in the Evo, it usually just pushes. No brakes and max effort turn, the front bump is already just about on the ground. Not sure how brakes are gonna help with "more" weight transfer. Sure, it "might" get more weight on the inside front, but its also make the outside front try do more work which is already at the limit. I feel like it's robbing Peter to pay Paul.
#1684
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the only thing i'm not doing is e85. may be tricky with the competition, but i'm not going to expect to podium here. rwd balance really dominates the autobahn courses. i hope to do well among the street awd cars though, again may be challenging without e85.
#1685
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Does the Evo7 wing make more downforce?
#1689
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Got some basic videos done from last week's race, posted in the Nasa thread. I had some wiring issues so I didn't get much accurate data in and I was more interested in getting them uploaded rather then geeking them out just to see the obvious oil pressure drops. Trail braking on a course like road atlanta with it's "hill crest turn-in's" is generally a bad idea even in the Evo as it forces you to track out a LOT further then you intend for the reasons explained by our two AX champs before you can get back on the gas. I agree setup for the turn is key - with modulation and the Evo's natural ability to get on the gas harder and sooner then our Porsche and muscle car competition who have to wait UNTIL the apex to begin.
I was approached by AiM reps who were interested in working with us, so I may have a turn-key DL1 available for you guys later on if interested.
I was approached by AiM reps who were interested in working with us, so I may have a turn-key DL1 available for you guys later on if interested.
#1691
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i guess what i'm maintaining is, if you're getting on the gas early/before the apex, you've overslowed for the corner.
and by "i" - i mean literally professional race car drivers who have broken down my laps corner by corner - BUT, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
and by "i" - i mean literally professional race car drivers who have broken down my laps corner by corner - BUT, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
#1692
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Originally Posted by kyoo
i guess what i'm maintaining is, if you're getting on the gas early/before the apex, you've overslowed for the corner.
and by "i" - i mean literally professional race car drivers who have broken down my laps corner by corner - BUT, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
and by "i" - i mean literally professional race car drivers who have broken down my laps corner by corner - BUT, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
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#1694
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At minimum, I need to have some throttle application coming up to the apex to prevent the engine braking from bleeding off speed and shifting weight even further forward.
#1695
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I try to time my throttle application so I can start unwinding the steering wheel as the boost comes in.
At minimum, I need to have some throttle application coming up to the apex to prevent the engine braking from bleeding off speed and shifting weight even further forward.
At minimum, I need to have some throttle application coming up to the apex to prevent the engine braking from bleeding off speed and shifting weight even further forward.