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Old May 6, 2008, 10:03 AM
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Turco I am lost reading the post after yours on that thread.


Mikie Brazilian BBQ??
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Old May 6, 2008, 10:25 AM
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Mikie care to share some input? https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...65#post5629965

Edit: so does anyone want to meet up tomorrow?
As usualy, John is right- if you are retarding timing to run more boost, then, advancing it will cool the EGTs (more complete burn since flame propagation has more time to occur). The downside is a spike in cylinder pressures as you start the spark earlier and earlier.

For the longest time, 900 degrees C was the magic number for EGTs. Now it's 1600F. I think we lost some headway in the conversion....

In any case, knocking is detrimental. Period. It has the potential of being more detrimental at higher temps, however, if you are decreasing your changes of knocking (less timing, more boost), then it should be a non-issue.

It's all a series of tradeoffs. Like Chris said- it would be really nice to have a cylinder pressure monitor. I think it would paint a very interesting picture.

At least on my Subaru, it would constantly run at 1650-1700 at WOT and nothing melted there. I would have loved to rip that motor open and see what it looked like.

This guy melted an EGT probe, so I am going to say he was absurdly hot., moreover, his alchy injection let loose, so he was running lean (on my 'conservative' amount of injection, I see AFRs drop .5-.7 points- some people see them drop 1-2 points). So i think there were a lot of factors at play.

There is certainly more than one way to do things. My view is that if it's consistent, then it's good. That's probably the most important thing to look for- if you do two pulls and then your car starts acting sluggish, then you have a problem.
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Old May 6, 2008, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 1slowevo
Turco I am lost reading the post after yours on that thread.


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tonight or tomorrow?
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Another interesting thought- there is a Subaru tuner, Jorge, who tends to run cars what most people would consider lean- 12s to high 11s on pump gas. People criticize him for bad tuning, but there are never unhappy customers that I have heard of. People just make unfounded remarks that it's not good. When you have an efficient system, you don't NEED to use extra fuel and timing.

Timing is a way to make up for poor VE. If you can improve VE, then you don't need timing.
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Old May 6, 2008, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by crazymikie
tonight or tomorrow?
either,
we will figure that out tonight
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Old May 6, 2008, 12:29 PM
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Holy heck...work is crazy busy!!!! boo for me
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Old May 6, 2008, 12:36 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m57jDLT-G9E

rockband DLC this week:
"It Hurts"--Angels & Airwaves. (Good)
"Date with the Night"--Yeah Yeah Yeahs. (not sure but maps rules)
"This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race"--Fall Out Boy. (Good)
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Old May 6, 2008, 12:43 PM
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post #52

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...0#post22194170
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new Indiana Jones movie... http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/play/2745.../Indiana-Jones

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My response mikie:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...0&postcount=53
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Turco you ***.... thats hilarious.
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BOV, does that make the car go faster?
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BOV, does that make the car go faster?
Not only will the car be faster but it will sound super-duper cool.
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Originally Posted by MR Turco
Not only will the car be faster but it will sound super-duper cool.
nice, i want one!!
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