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Sep 30, 2007, 09:53 AM
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Read the whole thing before flaming
This is a public establishment and if it stays open to the public during the time your going to be there... there is nothing you can do about someone showing up and buying stuff from the store and hanging out in the parking lot... even if they don't sign your little paper there isn't a damn thing you can do about it... it may be an agreement between you and the establishment for your group but as long as that person(s) is a customer in the store they can do as they see fit... maybe go back in get something to drink and use the restroom. You can't remove someone from a public parking lot especially if they are a customer to the place of business.
Ya'll are getting to high strung about this... I see the point behind the agreement as far as no asshattery within your group but if someone refused to sign your "contract" and they don't claim to be within group then you can't do anything about it... touch them or start telling them to leave and it becomes harassment or assault - You can tell them to leave but if they are a customer and just happened to pull into the middle of your 45 cars... then I guess your SOL for that spot. You start marking spots off and then your obstructing the flow of traffic or becoming and impedence to the public. You really have to look at the big picture and all the major laws involved.. the reason the cops are agreeing is because they know how many laws you could so easily break by "removing" someone.
This is a public establishment and the only way you could really put your "agreement" into full swing is to shut down the facility and rent it out for the night and then have people sign as they fill spots in the lot. At this point technically the parking lot is rented-out/reserved for you and your group but...
Here's another catch - now you would have to re-imburse KK for all the business they would lose for closing down their business and probably start charging people to come here. Now do you have permit to do this(if one is required)? What if someone gets hurt - is there is a clause in your agreement(if so do they agree that they will not put blame on you?) or do you have a large enough insurance policy to cover any possible accidents (vehicle or physical) being such a small lot? There is so much for you guys to think about instead of "Imma makeshift security guard that really has no power" and I can call the police - the police are harmless and technically useless if the only thing that is wrong is your butt hurts...
(all you, yours, are for reference only)
(In no way did I direct this toward any one person)
(If anyone takes offense this.. well I am genuinely sorry your upset, but you'll get over it)
(If you attempt to flame me on a personal or a grammatical lvl I will just
at you!!!)
Thank you and have a wonderful rainy day!
Ya'll are getting to high strung about this... I see the point behind the agreement as far as no asshattery within your group but if someone refused to sign your "contract" and they don't claim to be within group then you can't do anything about it... touch them or start telling them to leave and it becomes harassment or assault - You can tell them to leave but if they are a customer and just happened to pull into the middle of your 45 cars... then I guess your SOL for that spot. You start marking spots off and then your obstructing the flow of traffic or becoming and impedence to the public. You really have to look at the big picture and all the major laws involved.. the reason the cops are agreeing is because they know how many laws you could so easily break by "removing" someone.
This is a public establishment and the only way you could really put your "agreement" into full swing is to shut down the facility and rent it out for the night and then have people sign as they fill spots in the lot. At this point technically the parking lot is rented-out/reserved for you and your group but...
Here's another catch - now you would have to re-imburse KK for all the business they would lose for closing down their business and probably start charging people to come here. Now do you have permit to do this(if one is required)? What if someone gets hurt - is there is a clause in your agreement(if so do they agree that they will not put blame on you?) or do you have a large enough insurance policy to cover any possible accidents (vehicle or physical) being such a small lot? There is so much for you guys to think about instead of "Imma makeshift security guard that really has no power" and I can call the police - the police are harmless and technically useless if the only thing that is wrong is your butt hurts...
(all you, yours, are for reference only)
(In no way did I direct this toward any one person)
(If anyone takes offense this.. well I am genuinely sorry your upset, but you'll get over it)
(If you attempt to flame me on a personal or a grammatical lvl I will just
at you!!!)Thank you and have a wonderful rainy day!
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Sep 30, 2007, 12:23 PM
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You might really want to look at laws regarding "Freedom to Assemble" If the lot is a privately owned lot than yes the owner of the lot can say you are not welcome, but if you are not on private property than you are infringing on someones Civil Rights by forcing them off the property. Especially if it is because they decline to sign that agreement.
I agree its a noble effort but you might want to get it checked out by a legal expert before you find yourselves in the middle of some "asshats" attempt to make money off of something that was meant to be a good thing.
I agree its a noble effort but you might want to get it checked out by a legal expert before you find yourselves in the middle of some "asshats" attempt to make money off of something that was meant to be a good thing.
Sep 30, 2007, 12:35 PM
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good words, excellent points bro - Appreciate the constructive criticism - we didnt take any offense to the points you made. Critique is the only way you actually evolve into making a great foundation... discussion, intelligent arguments, and counter-reasoning helps alot to get things more rock solid.
As for the points you brought up, I'll have to address most of those at later time since I have alot on my hands today - I cant sit behind the computer all day while the swap meet people are sifting through my parts... I will be back online soon to discuss this further with you -
thank you again, and long story short, we have addressed about 80 percent of the issues you have brought up. We have a formal meeting with the district KK manager this thursday, and we'll have checks established to make sure that we're not too regulatory on the meets in their parking lot. We dont reduce their business because 75 percent of the customer flow past 8pm is through the drive thru anyways. as long as the people respect the patrons, there isnt any problem.
More to come later -
Kory
As for the points you brought up, I'll have to address most of those at later time since I have alot on my hands today - I cant sit behind the computer all day while the swap meet people are sifting through my parts... I will be back online soon to discuss this further with you -
thank you again, and long story short, we have addressed about 80 percent of the issues you have brought up. We have a formal meeting with the district KK manager this thursday, and we'll have checks established to make sure that we're not too regulatory on the meets in their parking lot. We dont reduce their business because 75 percent of the customer flow past 8pm is through the drive thru anyways. as long as the people respect the patrons, there isnt any problem.
More to come later -
Kory
This is a public establishment and if it stays open to the public during the time your going to be there... there is nothing you can do about someone showing up and buying stuff from the store and hanging out in the parking lot... even if they don't sign your little paper there isn't a damn thing you can do about it... it may be an agreement between you and the establishment for your group but as long as that person(s) is a customer in the store they can do as they see fit... maybe go back in get something to drink and use the restroom. You can't remove someone from a public parking lot especially if they are a customer to the place of business.
Ya'll are getting to high strung about this... I see the point behind the agreement as far as no asshattery within your group but if someone refused to sign your "contract" and they don't claim to be within group then you can't do anything about it... touch them or start telling them to leave and it becomes harassment or assault - You can tell them to leave but if they are a customer and just happened to pull into the middle of your 45 cars... then I guess your SOL for that spot. You start marking spots off and then your obstructing the flow of traffic or becoming and impedence to the public. You really have to look at the big picture and all the major laws involved.. the reason the cops are agreeing is because they know how many laws you could so easily break by "removing" someone.
This is a public establishment and the only way you could really put your "agreement" into full swing is to shut down the facility and rent it out for the night and then have people sign as they fill spots in the lot. At this point technically the parking lot is rented-out/reserved for you and your group but...
Here's another catch - now you would have to re-imburse KK for all the business they would lose for closing down their business and probably start charging people to come here. Now do you have permit to do this(if one is required)? What if someone gets hurt - is there is a clause in your agreement(if so do they agree that they will not put blame on you?) or do you have a large enough insurance policy to cover any possible accidents (vehicle or physical) being such a small lot? There is so much for you guys to think about instead of "Imma makeshift security guard that really has no power" and I can call the police - the police are harmless and technically useless if the only thing that is wrong is your butt hurts...
(all you, yours, are for reference only)
(In no way did I direct this toward any one person)
(If anyone takes offense this.. well I am genuinely sorry your upset, but you'll get over it)
(If you attempt to flame me on a personal or a grammatical lvl I will just at you!!!)
Thank you and have a wonderful rainy day!
Ya'll are getting to high strung about this... I see the point behind the agreement as far as no asshattery within your group but if someone refused to sign your "contract" and they don't claim to be within group then you can't do anything about it... touch them or start telling them to leave and it becomes harassment or assault - You can tell them to leave but if they are a customer and just happened to pull into the middle of your 45 cars... then I guess your SOL for that spot. You start marking spots off and then your obstructing the flow of traffic or becoming and impedence to the public. You really have to look at the big picture and all the major laws involved.. the reason the cops are agreeing is because they know how many laws you could so easily break by "removing" someone.
This is a public establishment and the only way you could really put your "agreement" into full swing is to shut down the facility and rent it out for the night and then have people sign as they fill spots in the lot. At this point technically the parking lot is rented-out/reserved for you and your group but...
Here's another catch - now you would have to re-imburse KK for all the business they would lose for closing down their business and probably start charging people to come here. Now do you have permit to do this(if one is required)? What if someone gets hurt - is there is a clause in your agreement(if so do they agree that they will not put blame on you?) or do you have a large enough insurance policy to cover any possible accidents (vehicle or physical) being such a small lot? There is so much for you guys to think about instead of "Imma makeshift security guard that really has no power" and I can call the police - the police are harmless and technically useless if the only thing that is wrong is your butt hurts...
(all you, yours, are for reference only)
(In no way did I direct this toward any one person)
(If anyone takes offense this.. well I am genuinely sorry your upset, but you'll get over it)
(If you attempt to flame me on a personal or a grammatical lvl I will just
at you!!!)Thank you and have a wonderful rainy day!
Sep 30, 2007, 12:45 PM
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Well if your already working on the finer details of things.. then all i can say is good luck and hope it works out for everyone...
Just be careful cuz it only takes one person to get some sand in their vageen to ruin a good thing...
Just be careful cuz it only takes one person to get some sand in their vageen to ruin a good thing...
Sep 30, 2007, 01:00 PM
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This is a public establishment and if it stays open to the public during the time your going to be there... there is nothing you can do about someone showing up and buying stuff from the store and hanging out in the parking lot... even if they don't sign your little paper there isn't a damn thing you can do about it... it may be an agreement between you and the establishment for your group but as long as that person(s) is a customer in the store they can do as they see fit... maybe go back in get something to drink and use the restroom. You can't remove someone from a public parking lot especially if they are a customer to the place of business.
Ya'll are getting to high strung about this... I see the point behind the agreement as far as no asshattery within your group but if someone refused to sign your "contract" and they don't claim to be within group then you can't do anything about it... touch them or start telling them to leave and it becomes harassment or assault - You can tell them to leave but if they are a customer and just happened to pull into the middle of your 45 cars... then I guess your SOL for that spot. You start marking spots off and then your obstructing the flow of traffic or becoming and impedence to the public. You really have to look at the big picture and all the major laws involved.. the reason the cops are agreeing is because they know how many laws you could so easily break by "removing" someone.
This is a public establishment and the only way you could really put your "agreement" into full swing is to shut down the facility and rent it out for the night and then have people sign as they fill spots in the lot. At this point technically the parking lot is rented-out/reserved for you and your group but...
Here's another catch - now you would have to re-imburse KK for all the business they would lose for closing down their business and probably start charging people to come here. Now do you have permit to do this(if one is required)? What if someone gets hurt - is there is a clause in your agreement(if so do they agree that they will not put blame on you?) or do you have a large enough insurance policy to cover any possible accidents (vehicle or physical) being such a small lot? There is so much for you guys to think about instead of "Imma makeshift security guard that really has no power" and I can call the police - the police are harmless and technically useless if the only thing that is wrong is your butt hurts...
(all you, yours, are for reference only)
(In no way did I direct this toward any one person)
(If anyone takes offense this.. well I am genuinely sorry your upset, but you'll get over it)
(If you attempt to flame me on a personal or a grammatical lvl I will just at you!!!)
Thank you and have a wonderful rainy day!
Ya'll are getting to high strung about this... I see the point behind the agreement as far as no asshattery within your group but if someone refused to sign your "contract" and they don't claim to be within group then you can't do anything about it... touch them or start telling them to leave and it becomes harassment or assault - You can tell them to leave but if they are a customer and just happened to pull into the middle of your 45 cars... then I guess your SOL for that spot. You start marking spots off and then your obstructing the flow of traffic or becoming and impedence to the public. You really have to look at the big picture and all the major laws involved.. the reason the cops are agreeing is because they know how many laws you could so easily break by "removing" someone.
This is a public establishment and the only way you could really put your "agreement" into full swing is to shut down the facility and rent it out for the night and then have people sign as they fill spots in the lot. At this point technically the parking lot is rented-out/reserved for you and your group but...
Here's another catch - now you would have to re-imburse KK for all the business they would lose for closing down their business and probably start charging people to come here. Now do you have permit to do this(if one is required)? What if someone gets hurt - is there is a clause in your agreement(if so do they agree that they will not put blame on you?) or do you have a large enough insurance policy to cover any possible accidents (vehicle or physical) being such a small lot? There is so much for you guys to think about instead of "Imma makeshift security guard that really has no power" and I can call the police - the police are harmless and technically useless if the only thing that is wrong is your butt hurts...
(all you, yours, are for reference only)
(In no way did I direct this toward any one person)
(If anyone takes offense this.. well I am genuinely sorry your upset, but you'll get over it)
(If you attempt to flame me on a personal or a grammatical lvl I will just
at you!!!)Thank you and have a wonderful rainy day!
Sep 30, 2007, 01:13 PM
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lol i just skimmed through the other posts after reading the topic starter...
your right... i just got a little more in detail of what could go wrong...
your right... i just got a little more in detail of what could go wrong...
Sep 30, 2007, 11:43 PM
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This is a public establishment and if it stays open to the public during the time your going to be there... there is nothing you can do about someone showing up and buying stuff from the store and hanging out in the parking lot... even if they don't sign your little paper there isn't a damn thing you can do about it... it may be an agreement between you and the establishment for your group but as long as that person(s) is a customer in the store they can do as they see fit... maybe go back in get something to drink and use the restroom. You can't remove someone from a public parking lot especially if they are a customer to the place of business.
Ya'll are getting to high strung about this... I see the point behind the agreement as far as no asshattery within your group but if someone refused to sign your "contract" and they don't claim to be within group then you can't do anything about it... touch them or start telling them to leave and it becomes harassment or assault - You can tell them to leave but if they are a customer and just happened to pull into the middle of your 45 cars... then I guess your SOL for that spot. You start marking spots off and then your obstructing the flow of traffic or becoming and impedence to the public. You really have to look at the big picture and all the major laws involved.. the reason the cops are agreeing is because they know how many laws you could so easily break by "removing" someone.
This is a public establishment and the only way you could really put your "agreement" into full swing is to shut down the facility and rent it out for the night and then have people sign as they fill spots in the lot. At this point technically the parking lot is rented-out/reserved for you and your group but...
Here's another catch - now you would have to re-imburse KK for all the business they would lose for closing down their business and probably start charging people to come here. Now do you have permit to do this(if one is required)? What if someone gets hurt - is there is a clause in your agreement(if so do they agree that they will not put blame on you?) or do you have a large enough insurance policy to cover any possible accidents (vehicle or physical) being such a small lot? There is so much for you guys to think about instead of "Imma makeshift security guard that really has no power" and I can call the police - the police are harmless and technically useless if the only thing that is wrong is your butt hurts...
(all you, yours, are for reference only)
(In no way did I direct this toward any one person)
(If anyone takes offense this.. well I am genuinely sorry your upset, but you'll get over it)
(If you attempt to flame me on a personal or a grammatical lvl I will just at you!!!)
Thank you and have a wonderful rainy day!
Ya'll are getting to high strung about this... I see the point behind the agreement as far as no asshattery within your group but if someone refused to sign your "contract" and they don't claim to be within group then you can't do anything about it... touch them or start telling them to leave and it becomes harassment or assault - You can tell them to leave but if they are a customer and just happened to pull into the middle of your 45 cars... then I guess your SOL for that spot. You start marking spots off and then your obstructing the flow of traffic or becoming and impedence to the public. You really have to look at the big picture and all the major laws involved.. the reason the cops are agreeing is because they know how many laws you could so easily break by "removing" someone.
This is a public establishment and the only way you could really put your "agreement" into full swing is to shut down the facility and rent it out for the night and then have people sign as they fill spots in the lot. At this point technically the parking lot is rented-out/reserved for you and your group but...
Here's another catch - now you would have to re-imburse KK for all the business they would lose for closing down their business and probably start charging people to come here. Now do you have permit to do this(if one is required)? What if someone gets hurt - is there is a clause in your agreement(if so do they agree that they will not put blame on you?) or do you have a large enough insurance policy to cover any possible accidents (vehicle or physical) being such a small lot? There is so much for you guys to think about instead of "Imma makeshift security guard that really has no power" and I can call the police - the police are harmless and technically useless if the only thing that is wrong is your butt hurts...
(all you, yours, are for reference only)
(In no way did I direct this toward any one person)
(If anyone takes offense this.. well I am genuinely sorry your upset, but you'll get over it)
(If you attempt to flame me on a personal or a grammatical lvl I will just
at you!!!)Thank you and have a wonderful rainy day!
You might really want to look at laws regarding "Freedom to Assemble" If the lot is a privately owned lot than yes the owner of the lot can say you are not welcome, but if you are not on private property than you are infringing on someones Civil Rights by forcing them off the property. Especially if it is because they decline to sign that agreement.
I agree its a noble effort but you might want to get it checked out by a legal expert before you find yourselves in the middle of some "asshats" attempt to make money off of something that was meant to be a good thing.
I agree its a noble effort but you might want to get it checked out by a legal expert before you find yourselves in the middle of some "asshats" attempt to make money off of something that was meant to be a good thing.
Kory is on the right track taking a huge responsibilities only days after he got back from a deployment in iraq to ensure the safety and saintly of other car enthusiast. Lets help him to keep on doing what he does best.
Oct 1, 2007, 05:16 AM
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Kevin thats pretty much what I was saying. I'm from the other side of the state so I don't really know the area and what not. My post was based off the possibility that the KK is on leased public property as well as the possibility that it was private property.
Since it is private property as you are saying than yeah I don't really see there being a problem so long as there is an agreement between those resposible for the land use as well as the KK, which it sounds likes has all ready been established.
Hell you guys are lucky. If that many people got together anywhere in Spokane the Police are right there to break it up and send everyone on their way or face ticketing. But then, we have a seriously bad problem with "asshatitry" in Spokane so it doesn't suprise me.
Hope you guys can show how organization can bring some positive change to a culture that has so many negative connotations attached to it.
Since it is private property as you are saying than yeah I don't really see there being a problem so long as there is an agreement between those resposible for the land use as well as the KK, which it sounds likes has all ready been established.
Hell you guys are lucky. If that many people got together anywhere in Spokane the Police are right there to break it up and send everyone on their way or face ticketing. But then, we have a seriously bad problem with "asshatitry" in Spokane so it doesn't suprise me.
Hope you guys can show how organization can bring some positive change to a culture that has so many negative connotations attached to it.
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I am still not going to sign anything. I would also like to exercise my right as free man. I am going to come down and eat donuts until I can't fit into my EVO... Say something...
This whole thread is so highschool... kids...
If you go to TKK sign the dann paper... If you refused to sign the document, park in the other parking lot that's what I am giong to do if I go (I never do)or don't go... thats not the only spot to hang (you can always kick-it at home)... what are you guys eleventeens... So dump... That's why I have been hidding out, because of S^$# like this... I am kicking it in my livingroom.
Chewy
This whole thread is so highschool... kids...
If you go to TKK sign the dann paper... If you refused to sign the document, park in the other parking lot that's what I am giong to do if I go (I never do)or don't go... thats not the only spot to hang (you can always kick-it at home)... what are you guys eleventeens... So dump... That's why I have been hidding out, because of S^$# like this... I am kicking it in my livingroom.
Chewy