Evo IX EcuTek reflash results!!!!!!!!!
Oct 21, 2005 | 09:55 PM
#31
Originally Posted by Precision Dyno
That will be tommorow
Along with some more runs on the dyno.
The next step will be IC and pipes, Alky and the track on tuesday
After we get back from SEMA the fun begins to make it the fastest 9 in the US
Along with some more runs on the dyno.
The next step will be IC and pipes, Alky and the track on tuesday
After we get back from SEMA the fun begins to make it the fastest 9 in the US
Oct 21, 2005 | 09:55 PM
#32
Originally Posted by Spec'd
Here's another thread/forum about a SAFC tuned EvoIX.
http://www.socalevo.net/index.php?op...een#msg6598675
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http://www.socalevo.net/index.php?op...een#msg6598675
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My 2 cents
Oct 21, 2005 | 09:56 PM
#34
Originally Posted by Precision Dyno
Warrtalon Im not sure what school of thought you are from but you are very far from the truth.
Please don't assume anything and make claims to know the state of the tune.
If I were to even begin to devulge ALL 7 Maps for timing on the 9 I can assure you your opinion would change drastically. It isn't like the 8 that had just a secondary low octane fuel map for protection. There are many more
Secondly, the vehicle also made well over 300 FTLBS and 300 HP BUT for the sake of being safe we ALWAYS do three runs in the end of the tune to downtune. The final run as it states in my post was done with VERY conservative timing and a bit more fuel than many tuners will like to see. I will not go into my tuning strategy but lets say that timing was about what stock would be and a little less. Also the A/F was tuned around 11:1. Very conservative.
The taper that you may notice in the graph is indirectly related to many things. Exhaust. STOCK CAMS, No VVT activation past 6000rpm, conservative timing and fuel.
Just because this car was at 23 psi DOES NOT mean that the vehicle will continue to climb in HP. It will in no way be linear so as to say that it must mimic a curve at 19 psi.
As boost increases so do the margins of safety. At lower boost pressures we may be getting a bit more aggressive and show a difference in the tail end of the curve.
BUT for street driving on 93 octane fuel I prefer a tune that still holds to redline rather than a tune that pushes the limits till the shiftpoint.
This car comes up on 7000rpm so fast you need that time. Trust me.
Now the spool up characteristics are very apparent if you look at the different comparisons from stock to the final result on stock boost. I don't have to clarify the writing is on the wall.
This is completely because of the VVT. Period.
I understand that you may be a controversial person on this board and many do not like your thoughts. I also understand that you come off aggressive to some. To me you seen to quickly jump on a thought process that may need to be "checked". So please for the love of god do not assume detromental thoughts and post them like they are fact. Your analyys is dead wrong.
Thank you for your time.
Please don't assume anything and make claims to know the state of the tune.
If I were to even begin to devulge ALL 7 Maps for timing on the 9 I can assure you your opinion would change drastically. It isn't like the 8 that had just a secondary low octane fuel map for protection. There are many more
Secondly, the vehicle also made well over 300 FTLBS and 300 HP BUT for the sake of being safe we ALWAYS do three runs in the end of the tune to downtune. The final run as it states in my post was done with VERY conservative timing and a bit more fuel than many tuners will like to see. I will not go into my tuning strategy but lets say that timing was about what stock would be and a little less. Also the A/F was tuned around 11:1. Very conservative.
The taper that you may notice in the graph is indirectly related to many things. Exhaust. STOCK CAMS, No VVT activation past 6000rpm, conservative timing and fuel.
Just because this car was at 23 psi DOES NOT mean that the vehicle will continue to climb in HP. It will in no way be linear so as to say that it must mimic a curve at 19 psi.
As boost increases so do the margins of safety. At lower boost pressures we may be getting a bit more aggressive and show a difference in the tail end of the curve.
BUT for street driving on 93 octane fuel I prefer a tune that still holds to redline rather than a tune that pushes the limits till the shiftpoint.
This car comes up on 7000rpm so fast you need that time. Trust me.
Now the spool up characteristics are very apparent if you look at the different comparisons from stock to the final result on stock boost. I don't have to clarify the writing is on the wall.
This is completely because of the VVT. Period.
I understand that you may be a controversial person on this board and many do not like your thoughts. I also understand that you come off aggressive to some. To me you seen to quickly jump on a thought process that may need to be "checked". So please for the love of god do not assume detromental thoughts and post them like they are fact. Your analyys is dead wrong.
Thank you for your time.
I also don't understand the spoolup/MIVEC comment. Are you saying that spoolup is not the same as hitting full boost and peak torque? The turbo spooled by 3800-4200, which is not 1000rpm earlier like you said. I guess I just don't know what you mean by spoolup, and that's fine. I just commented on what I _did_ understand. Full boost does not come any sooner, but peak hp comes on sooner.
Do 03-05s with the same tuning method and mods hit peak HP at 5600 then taper off from there, too?
Oct 21, 2005 | 10:02 PM
#35
Very nice work, extremely promising gains from stock. I called in earlier tonight and spoke to the other Nick there to schedule a tune so I got an early preview of the results. Looking forward to seeing similarly impressive results on my car when I come in tommorow.
Oct 21, 2005 | 10:08 PM
#36
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Um, ok, that wasn't necessary. I said nothing negative nor "detromental." I gave you a congratulations, then just made some observations. I didn't know why the power peaked at 5600 and still don't. I admitted that I was assuming - what else was I going to do without an explanation?
I also don't understand the spoolup/MIVEC comment. Are you saying that spoolup is not the same as hitting full boost and peak torque? The turbo spooled by 3800-4200, which is not 1000rpm earlier like you said. I guess I just don't know what you mean by spoolup, and that's fine. I just commented on what I _did_ understand. Full boost does not come any sooner, but peak hp comes on sooner.
Do 03-05s with the same tuning method and mods hit peak HP at 5600 then taper off from there, too?
I also don't understand the spoolup/MIVEC comment. Are you saying that spoolup is not the same as hitting full boost and peak torque? The turbo spooled by 3800-4200, which is not 1000rpm earlier like you said. I guess I just don't know what you mean by spoolup, and that's fine. I just commented on what I _did_ understand. Full boost does not come any sooner, but peak hp comes on sooner.
Do 03-05s with the same tuning method and mods hit peak HP at 5600 then taper off from there, too?
Spool up time, full boost and peak torque do not always "mean the same thing".
If you look at the curve carefully it will show you a dramatic increase in boost threshold between the modified cam settings and the settings from the factory. We noticed an INITIAL spool up of the turbo to be almost 1000 rpm quicker.
This was also attributed to a lean spool map the nine comes with from the factory.
The other runs show a stock like curve just an overall increase in torque. This was attributed to us not activating the lean spool point. We wanted to see what it could do with stock characteristics.
Lean spool is very dangerous unless you know exactly what map the ECU will use to run the vehicle. It is something I will not go over in an open forum. I spent countless hours mimicing stock patterns and fooling the ecu to find out its secrets.
When I am finished I will also have revised versions for us to look at.
Thank you for your comments as always. But I am here to clear up any misconceptions there may be
The nine is unlike any other evo ever brought to any shore. It will revolutionize the EVO name in this country. The Mivec setup is what was lacking in this car from the beginning. We have only just begun to bring information here to help the future models.
Thanks again in advance to your next comment.
Oct 21, 2005 | 10:10 PM
#37
Originally Posted by fury656
Very nice work, extremely promising gains from stock. I called in earlier tonight and spoke to the other Nick there to schedule a tune so I got an early preview of the results. Looking forward to seeing similarly impressive results on my car when I come in tommorow.
Oct 21, 2005 | 10:12 PM
#38
Good work Nick !
The ecutek tuning on the IX will be vastly superior than any previous ecu and engine combination for the evos. The IX ecu contains many improvements and extra features which make it truely world class. The MIVAC, larger turbo and more advanced ecu make for a potent combination
I have been Ecutek tuning on STI's and Legacys now for a long time and I have seen how variable valve timing can be used to help spool turbos.
The biggest gains will be seen with larger aftermarket turbos which will get a much bogger low end kick with proper cam timing.
The ecutek tuning on the IX will be vastly superior than any previous ecu and engine combination for the evos. The IX ecu contains many improvements and extra features which make it truely world class. The MIVAC, larger turbo and more advanced ecu make for a potent combination
I have been Ecutek tuning on STI's and Legacys now for a long time and I have seen how variable valve timing can be used to help spool turbos.
The biggest gains will be seen with larger aftermarket turbos which will get a much bogger low end kick with proper cam timing.
Oct 21, 2005 | 10:39 PM
#40
I am very excited about the IX - I have been going over all the maps in the IX ecu and it seems its a huge imporvement over the VIII.
I predict we will be seing some really big numbers on stage IV evo IX's
I predict we will be seing some really big numbers on stage IV evo IX's
Oct 22, 2005 | 01:32 AM
#45
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Can't wait to see the true potential of the new MIVEC equipped motor. Any of you seen VTEC on boost? Incredible stuff. I expect to see the same from MIVEC.
...now, I wonder if you could slap a 9 head on an 8 block.......
...now, I wonder if you could slap a 9 head on an 8 block.......