I rather stick with my Lancer, with the mods I am aware of coming down the pipe in 2010, it will make it interesting. But no doubt a Genesis is a performer, regardless of what config you get.

as nice as this discussion is, its getting a little off topic. Feel free to move this over to the off topic thread.

 

I'm sorry, there's nothing you can ever put onto a lancer to make it anything close to the level of performance as those mentioned above.

It's still a 3000lb FWD with no power to speak of.

...It's just not worth putting money into the car unless you want it to look 'better' and sound... 'loud... ricer loud'

It's a nice DD, don't get me wrong, but it fails as everything else.

 

lol, I am privy to some R&D information, so I will humbly disagree with you and leave it that.

Second, Of course the Lancer is not a Turbo. And thus should not be really compared in that capacity. There is some aftermarket stuff that I have had the chance to review and see for myself, during all the SEMA stuff, and I am happy to say their are a lot of power mods on the way that will certainly remind people that their lancer, is a good thing

 

mm... please share.

You're trying to say that for say... $20,000Canadian (price difference between the lancer and the aforementioned) you can turn the a 3000lb FWD into a car that will out preform, and turn faster laptimes as one of the mentioned cars above with just off the shelf parts then i would love to hear your plan of action.

 

come on, its not about the car, but what you do with it. modding is what makes anything possible.

out of the box the genesis can beat a basic n/a lancer stock to stock. but, and i say this with a smile on my face, there are some serious power mods coming, a few in the usa but some some sure fire stuff from asia, confirmed for the 2.0L, 2.4 might be out of luck.

Since these are R&D projects I cant talk about out of respect for the msnufactures, but since you are a track and mod expert, i think i can leave it up to you the speculate what mods can increase power for a tq engine of this caliber.

 

I am no expert, but at a certain point you have to realize that it's not worth dumping money into a bad platform.

I'm not going to try so make you think a certain way, so im not going to write a giant essay. Short and Sweet.

Sure, slap on a few power adders, FI, Meth, now what do you have? A car that puts out some 'good' numbers... but how are you planning to get it to the ground, and make use of it? Basically a car that Can't Launch off the Line, Can't corner and Can't stop... Power that can't be put down is only good for ricer table racing...

i mean by the time you have power (which i must say is really limited) unless you're planning to have a built block, you need to get a proper drivetrain... the stock gearbox isn't build to handle the 'power' not to mention all the little things, like clutches and stiffer bushings everywhere... don't forget to throw in a LSD to make some use of that power too... How do you plan on turning? Stopping? Surely you're not going to rely on those dinky callipers and non-vented rotors to slow you down as you're headed for that tirewall, So $6000 BBKs here we come... And surely you're not going to rely on those crappy OEM Shocks/Sways/Springs/Endlinks/Arms to support the weight of the car as you drag your *** around the corner... Products that might as well be non-existent for the lancer due to it's low demand and high price... anyone dumb enough to actually put that kind of stuff onto a lancer really needs to be laughed at.

If you sold the car and put that 'mod' money into a 'better' platform, won't you have a better start, and a better car in the long run?
It's not all about the power, it's the package the matters, being able to Turn and Stop each and every time (reliability) is more important then Raw power.
...Don't get me started on Power Curves.

Again, it is utterly dumb to be throwing money into a car, that is not meant to be more then a Daily Driver, and look for performance gains. All those Intakes, exhausts (rice cannons), sprint boosters (LMAO- USELESS), timing modules (detention anyone?), Painted calipers (personal Fav, LMAO) you fellas are encouraging people to put on is a joke, Stand back and think about what you want out of your car.

Again, The Lancers are great DDs, but if you're looking to get anything other then a "oh look, he's got a useless body kit", "loud anxious noises" and a few "looks great" comments from fellow ricers, then you need a reality check.
In the end... FWD + Heavy Curb = Fail, Don't waste your time.
...Don't get me started on how much i hate HIDs in Halogen housings either.

**edit, see Soul? other people can write essays too... isn't it boring to read?

 

Your commentary is inspiring, but flawed.... Tuning and modding is not about buying a car that is easy to tune out of the box. What is really inspiring and meeting with people who find away to surprise and impress, and also translate that into functional mods for the community. I have met alot of people with talent like that and the mods they are putting together, its amazing. But just love how you sum up our platform lol

hey, like I said, I know whats coming and its impressed me, thats all I am at liberty to say. but with a talk like that, says to me, you dont understand the car at all of course it needs work, like any car does, but I am happy to say there is alot more serious stuff coming

The biggest problem with R&D is that they were thrown a curve ball with the 2.4L platform, which is made in North America, so it basically raised the cost of the R&D for our cars. Manufacturers are now ignoring the 2.4L and focusing on the 2.0L first. most logical mods will surpass the 2.4L by a large margin

Anyways, this is far off topic anyway, back to lowering cars.

 

HOW IS THAT EVEN A RESPONSE TO MY POST?

How would YOU sum up your ecobox?

 

Thats alot. Mine as well go with the coilovers for about another 500. By the way i got my D2 coilover for 1200 and their really good

 

You can get BCs for 950 shipped.

 

no need to argue over nonsense guys.

It does not matter whether lancers can compete with cars like genesis coupe, 370z etc etc. Most, if not everyone, buys a car for the purpose of transportation; getting from point A to B. very few of us race our cars on a daily basis, if ever. so who cares whether someone has a faster / better performing car. at the end of the day a car is a car, how well it performs and what modifications people do is solely at the owner's discretion, and not for anyone else to comment or judge. and so, no one has the right to say "its not worth to spend $$ on your car" - it's not your car, the car might be ****box but no one else is in the position to criticize. its like, you might think you have a hot GF, but I think she looks like horse crap, but who am I to judge your wifey?


/rant.

 

Don't mean to start **** evo_soul, but alot of this stuff that you talk about interms of getting discounts for parts, info on the lancers, upcoming parts, and this "alliance" with dealerships, never seem to result into anything. I remember you talking about this "alliance" starting up when I was ranting about my horrible experience with Dixie Mitsubishi and Chris Cooke, I think it was a thread about Mitsubishi dealerships in the GTA, and honestly what came out of it? You were to annouce what they were planning with Mitsubishi Canada and that you "counldn't say" because things were still in the works...in the end whatever happened? Mitsubishi continues to offer one of the worst customer services in the auto industry, they can't backup the issues with their products and dick customers around to the point where they give up. So what has changed really? They never adressed the major things like the alignment issue and cheap paint offered on these cars.

Honestly, what is so top secret about these parts that are "suppose" to hit the market for our lancers? What is your exact position or association with Mitsubishi and with other companies developing parts for the lancer? Just curious. The lancer has been out since 2007-2008 and really what options do we have interms of parts for this car? Because if we are to go by the amount of aftermarket parts that are currently available for the lancer after 3 years, it really doesn't say much about the aftermarket industry investing into R&D for this car. The Honda Civic, Mazda 3, etc within one year of being on the market have a ton of options when it comes to parts, hell after three years its still a mission to find brakes parts and such for this car...so really what hope does the lancer have interms of more costly upgrades like cams, pistons, valves, etc? Just to get normal oem grade parts we have to search and search to find something or else the other option is buying directly from Mitsubishi and paying an arm and leg for cheap crap. The Evo has always been a different story in the aftermarket industry, but isn't this an indication that the market is weak for the lancers? I know R&D for parts isn't an overnight thing, but after 3 years almost nothing? come on man don't tell me that isn't a sign?

 

again, off topic,

to be brief, i lobby mitsubishi and help make connections between venders. with budget of nil i think the 13% discount is a great benefit. to some its not important, to some it means alot. There are other ideas that have been passed on which are in dialog. but having a connection with these dealerships we can get service that is focused on us. going beyond that pushing them to stock and service parts we as owns want also helps.

this program is also underway in Cali as well with the help of partners over there.

connection with Mitsubishi is jist as a owner that has alot of questions. and they have been engaging and a pleasure to deal with.

I am friendly with a few companies in the states and in asia. they share with me their ideas and i give them feedback. Similar to my dialogs with injen and aem.

But at this time i am not employed by mitsubishi or any dealerships

 

so what if it's off topic...just asking questions and stating my opinion about the lancer and the aftermarket industry.

I guess your the lucky one that gets through to Mitsubishi's head office...do me a favour then next time your talking to somebody from there, tell them to build a car with less problems and with more than one coat of paint.

 

dude you are probably one of the only guys I've herd who hates their car as much as you do lol.

I've said this before but mitsu paint has been crap since day 1. this goes back to the early 90's.. they didn't fix it then and I doubt they are about to fix it now. For problems not sure what you've run into but I doubt its any higher then what mitsu's normally experience.

be happy you dont have crankwalk lol.

your comment about poor aftermarket support again is no suprise. There is very little in the 02-06 lancers so there is no reason the market would explode with parts for the 08+ models.

I'm personally veryy happy with my car. Its a great daily driver.
I'm not sure what you were expecting but enlighten me if you wish.
Not trying to start a argument but just wondering whats the issue..
from what I've read sounds like you need to get into another vehicle.