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Nov 22, 2004, 10:53 PM
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Ive tried searching the board for a specific response on 264 cams. I found something close to what i was looking, but not close enough.
Anyhow, where do 264's place the power band?
Anyhow, where do 264's place the power band?
Nov 23, 2004, 06:42 AM
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You'll sacrifice 4 HP on the topend to gain 10 TQ in the middle. This won't hold true for all cars but you get the idea.
This is compared with the 272's. Compared to stock, it's stronger on top, middle, everywhere. With the benefits of a better idle over 272s, they are a no brainer, IMO.
This is compared with the 272's. Compared to stock, it's stronger on top, middle, everywhere. With the benefits of a better idle over 272s, they are a no brainer, IMO.
Nov 23, 2004, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by EVOTEXAS
You'll sacrifice 4 HP on the topend to gain 10 TQ in the middle. This won't hold true for all cars but you get the idea.
This is compared with the 272's. Compared to stock, it's stronger on top, middle, everywhere. With the benefits of a better idle over 272s, they are a no brainer, IMO.
This is compared with the 272's. Compared to stock, it's stronger on top, middle, everywhere. With the benefits of a better idle over 272s, they are a no brainer, IMO.
Nov 23, 2004, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by EVOTEXAS
You'll sacrifice 4 HP on the topend to gain 10 TQ in the middle. This won't hold true for all cars but you get the idea.
This is compared with the 272's. Compared to stock, it's stronger on top, middle, everywhere. With the benefits of a better idle over 272s, they are a no brainer, IMO.
This is compared with the 272's. Compared to stock, it's stronger on top, middle, everywhere. With the benefits of a better idle over 272s, they are a no brainer, IMO.
Nov 23, 2004, 08:35 AM
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I have to agree with EVOTEXAS' comment.
My car kicks in hard down low and midrange, but gives up a little on top.
Seems the guys who did 264I and 272E got the best compromise.
My car kicks in hard down low and midrange, but gives up a little on top.
Seems the guys who did 264I and 272E got the best compromise.
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Originally Posted by EVOTEXAS
Look at every single car that has installed them. My statement was generalized and approximate as stated.
Nov 23, 2004, 01:25 PM
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if you refer back to my "case study #425687935147B" 
you will remember the graph that was posted from HKS website which shows that the 264's put out more torque than the 272's.
http://hksusa.com/images/?id=1441
you will remember the graph that was posted from HKS website which shows that the 264's put out more torque than the 272's. http://hksusa.com/images/?id=1441
Nov 23, 2004, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jason@NTEC
if you refer back to my "case study #425687935147B" you will remember the graph that was posted from HKS website which shows that the 264's put out more torque than the 272's.
http://hksusa.com/images/?id=1441
you will remember the graph that was posted from HKS website which shows that the 264's put out more torque than the 272's. http://hksusa.com/images/?id=1441
Nov 23, 2004, 02:24 PM
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Retarding the cams moves the power peak later in the power band, not earlier.
The 264 set gives a bit more midrange and a little bit less up top as compared to a 272 set when both sets are compared as installed straight up. However, when one widens the lobe separation angle with the 272 set via cam gears, it makes up the difference in midrange torque *and* gives even a bit more power up top.
In any case, if you want to just toss them in and go without gears or the benefit of dyno tuning, the 264 set is definitely the better choice.
The 264 set gives a bit more midrange and a little bit less up top as compared to a 272 set when both sets are compared as installed straight up. However, when one widens the lobe separation angle with the 272 set via cam gears, it makes up the difference in midrange torque *and* gives even a bit more power up top.
In any case, if you want to just toss them in and go without gears or the benefit of dyno tuning, the 264 set is definitely the better choice.
Nov 23, 2004, 02:34 PM
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To each their peference and choice but more HP for drag top end and more torque for street. It'll be nice to have both.
I have 272/272 and with support the car idles great. Your RPM shoots so fast to redline you won't have time to notice any additonal torque on the midrange.
I have 272/272 and with support the car idles great. Your RPM shoots so fast to redline you won't have time to notice any additonal torque on the midrange.
Nov 23, 2004, 02:43 PM
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And please note that with 264's your RPMs slowly crawl up. 
Seriously, though, if you drive on the street, there is really not a lot more top end power you are going to make, mod for mod, with the 272's. And with both idles corrected, the 264's will idle better, correction for correction.
It is easier to make streetable usable power with the 264's all else equal.
Seriously, though, if you drive on the street, there is really not a lot more top end power you are going to make, mod for mod, with the 272's. And with both idles corrected, the 264's will idle better, correction for correction.
It is easier to make streetable usable power with the 264's all else equal.
Nov 23, 2004, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by VTECH8TR
Dude that graph is NOT for our car, it's for a Supra which is a total different animal than the 4G63.
http://hksusa.com/images/?id=1440
once again the 264's shine in the horsepower area also!!!