Originally Posted by scorke

Fail.

As long as all else remains equal makes no difference. The car is raced with the drivetrain attached, not attached to an engine dyno.

Scorke

Originally Posted by AutoMotoSports

Things that really need to taken into account during this test are the manifolds being tested. Paul's car is obviously not the norm and what is going to work for his car is not going to work for 95% of the public. Camshaft selection, displacement, Turbo charger and slew of other variables are going to effect spool on any given car.

KCevo has been nice enough to send him a couple variations of our manifold for testing. I just want to make sure the users on the site understand that the manifold that makes the most power in this particular test is most likely not the variation you would want to put on your car unless you are building a car of Paul's caliber.

We thank paul for the test and look forward to the results but a much better candidate would be a car in the 450-600 whp range. food for thought.

Eric

Originally Posted by AutoMotoSports

Things that really need to taken into account during this test are the manifolds being tested. Paul's car is obviously not the norm and what is going to work for his car is not going to work for 95% of the public.

Originally Posted by Ted B

I noted this to Paul in a recent telephone conversation.

What works best for Paul's car would likely have a larger plenum and shorter runners than what would work best for just about anyone else.

Originally Posted by 06rs_power

I think you should be doing this on the turbo set up that you are going to run next season. Yes you want to make everyone happy, but no matter what you go with not everyone will be pleased, bottom line. You might as well just use your setup and see what will be most helpful on your car. The best manifold on a 35r might not be the best choice on a 42r, or even a different 35r setup

Originally Posted by 4G63

I agree with a lot of your posts, but this one is wrong. Testing on a bench is a far better way of gauging the difference between parts vs. on the car. It removes all the variables that can arise from doing it on a car.

EDIT: I realize you're were speaking in general terms, so don't take it personally. I realize a engine dyno is big $$$, but I just took what you said too literally!

Originally Posted by davidbuschur

I agree with you Eric. I unfortunately have NO desire to do a test as extensive as this. There are a few intakes I'd test but surely not this many, this test is going to be extremely difficult to pull off for Paul and Lucas, there are just too many intakes which are going to spread the testing out over days maybe weeks and be tough to get perfect back to back results.

I am also in agreement that doing the testing on Paul's car will be good for guys with Paul's combination and not so much the majority. This IS PAUL'S test though and I am in no way bashing it.

Paul, I've done a bunch of testing and posted results here, it's impossible to make everyone happy doing it. You will get your ***** busted for it no matter what you do, so just do your thing. If you use a stock turbo people will cry, if you use a 35r they will cry etc.

In the case of the intake manifold though, because of the power delivery of a GT42R I think the testing is pretty useless (see you can't make me happy either!). The intake manifolds just aren't going to show low end/ mid range changes on a GT42r. There are intakes already in your test that suck in the low/mid range as I have tested it. (NO NO NO, I will not say which one, don't even ask) For YOU, Paul, you don't care about that low/mid range much but for the other 99% the testing is not going to be very useful, in my opinion.

BTW, Eric@AMS, send an intake, I'll throw it on my car and test it

Originally Posted by trinydex

the time spread is one of the big reasons the engine dyno would be easier. at least you don't have to put everything back in the car etc.