RIP Trust/Greddy
Sep 11, 2008 | 08:20 AM
#62
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To add to that, there are not as many performance cars sold on the market now like 10 years ago either. Between the turn of the century untill now, look how much of the small pocket rockets are now out of production, such cars like the toyota levins, toyota starlets, celicas, s15s etc. All the fairly cheap sporty cars are dead, leaving the more expensive ones which the younger folk just cant afford.
Sep 11, 2008 | 09:59 AM
#63
I have seen our exhausts go thru several brutal Chicago winters and I can tell you honestly, they do not rust. The galvanized botls rust like crazy, but the piping and flanges mearly discolor. Its all in the quality of stainless used.
I'm not sure about the GReddy Ti, but most GReddy and JDM exhausts I've seen are simply mig welded mild steel piping painted that fancy purple-gray color.
I'm not sure about the GReddy Ti, but most GReddy and JDM exhausts I've seen are simply mig welded mild steel piping painted that fancy purple-gray color.
I stand corrected on my previous statement.
And in my knowledge, I know most of the JDM exhaust systems are SS unless stated otherwise.
HKS hyper exhaust is mild steel piping w/ ceramic coating, and yes these will rust if you live in the area where it snows.
Sep 11, 2008 | 10:02 AM
#64
If you compare early 1990's to now (2008):
- The base price of Japanese performance vehicles are higher (even if you count the Cosumer Price Index). The only fun car you can get with the paltry income you get as a fresh graduate is probably the base Miata, but with the current aftermarket support and the image the car has, its difficult to attract enthusiasts.
- There are less performance oriented Japanese cars available than before, it has gotten better since year 2000 (hell I was looking into Celica GTS at that time) but still not as good as the early 90's.
- The Japanese performance cars had much better faring compared to European and American performance cars back then than now
- It costs much more to mod your car to a 'respectable' level these days than back in the 90's
- People in their 20s and 30s (probably the biggest group of people into aftermarket industry) are much poorer compared to other age group now than before
- The trend has shifted to owning fast cars and fast looking cars to high tech/fancy looking kei cars or micro vans at least in Asia, it is much 'cooler' to own a family van like Toyota Alphard with 'pimp my ride' style exterior and neon interior than to own a tuned performance car now
These are just my thoughts from experience I don't have any hard facts to back up so you can flame me however you want regarding my comments :-)
- The base price of Japanese performance vehicles are higher (even if you count the Cosumer Price Index). The only fun car you can get with the paltry income you get as a fresh graduate is probably the base Miata, but with the current aftermarket support and the image the car has, its difficult to attract enthusiasts.
- There are less performance oriented Japanese cars available than before, it has gotten better since year 2000 (hell I was looking into Celica GTS at that time) but still not as good as the early 90's.
- The Japanese performance cars had much better faring compared to European and American performance cars back then than now
- It costs much more to mod your car to a 'respectable' level these days than back in the 90's
- People in their 20s and 30s (probably the biggest group of people into aftermarket industry) are much poorer compared to other age group now than before
- The trend has shifted to owning fast cars and fast looking cars to high tech/fancy looking kei cars or micro vans at least in Asia, it is much 'cooler' to own a family van like Toyota Alphard with 'pimp my ride' style exterior and neon interior than to own a tuned performance car now
These are just my thoughts from experience I don't have any hard facts to back up so you can flame me however you want regarding my comments :-)
i agree w/ what you stated. these are part of the reasons why most tuner companies in Japan are not faring so well these days.
Sep 11, 2008 | 10:27 AM
#65
I have seen our exhausts go thru several brutal Chicago winters and I can tell you honestly, they do not rust. The galvanized botls rust like crazy, but the piping and flanges mearly discolor. Its all in the quality of stainless used.
I'm not sure about the GReddy Ti, but most GReddy and JDM exhausts I've seen are simply mig welded mild steel piping painted that fancy purple-gray color.
I'm not sure about the GReddy Ti, but most GReddy and JDM exhausts I've seen are simply mig welded mild steel piping painted that fancy purple-gray color.
Sep 11, 2008 | 04:58 PM
#70
It's simply economics. With the cost of gas/petro 3x more then 5 or so years ago, thus creating inflation of all products that requires transport (basically almost everything), but salaries have stayed relatively flat. So, for the person that wants to mod their car, they have even last resources then before. In the end, buying the cheap knock off is better then getting nothing. I think for companies such as Trust/Greddy, they need to reduce there manufacturing cost and overhead, so that they can reduce the price of there products. $1000 plus is too high to charge for a exhaust system. There's more profit to be made by selling in quantity. This is why Honda, Toyota, and so on makes more money then Ferrari, Lambo...etc With all that being said. If the origin is far superior and delivers considerably more performance then the knock-off then people might consider that a better buy. Look at the cost of shock tower braces. Knock off sell for $50 or less, but the brand name is $200 or more. There is not 4x the difference in performace of the brand name component over the other.
Last edited by South Side Evo; Sep 11, 2008 at 05:01 PM.
Sep 11, 2008 | 05:35 PM
#71
You are obviously not the brightest person in this thread. I would put my bottom dollar on the fact that you live in a part of the country that uses salt on the roads during the winter, and never took 5minutes to wipe or take care of your "rusting" exhaust. NEGLECT doesn't constitute the ability to talk ****.
stop pleasuring greddy, get up off your knees and realize the "stainless steel" they use is crap. others have mentioned the same in this thread. whether you just "wipe" your exhaust or wash and wax it by hand, i don't care. all i know is mine is rusting and i'm not the only one.
using big words and getting mindless evom sheep to agree with you doesn't make you right. so shut your mouth.
Sep 12, 2008 | 09:52 AM
#74
I like GReddy/Trust, though I wish they'd push innovation a little more at times.
I really liked my Trust Power Extreme exhaust I had for my SW20 MR2. It was nearly as good as the Garage ***ui exhaust at > 1/3 less.
That said, I'm appalled by the comments that we shouldn't blame the Chinese manufacturer's that sell "extra" product that they "mistakenly" make or that copy a design, manufacturer it to a lower spec and sell for pennies on the dollar.
I'm pretty sure you'll find most companies outside of China that do contract production don't do this. Note I said, most as I'm sure there are a few that do, but not the sheer number that do in China.
It's a reasonable expectation that if a company contracts production that the contracted company will not steal that design or over-produce the product for sale separately.
I hope that these continued tactics don't affect more of our favorite performance companies (not to mention the electronic companies.)
You'll notice that I didn't say all Chinese people are to blame. Just the people who make the decisions to partake in these dirty business practices.
The sad thing is China has a lot of talented people with the technical know how of how to produce quality products of their own design. I just wish more Chinese companies would do so.
I really liked my Trust Power Extreme exhaust I had for my SW20 MR2. It was nearly as good as the Garage ***ui exhaust at > 1/3 less.
That said, I'm appalled by the comments that we shouldn't blame the Chinese manufacturer's that sell "extra" product that they "mistakenly" make or that copy a design, manufacturer it to a lower spec and sell for pennies on the dollar.
I'm pretty sure you'll find most companies outside of China that do contract production don't do this. Note I said, most as I'm sure there are a few that do, but not the sheer number that do in China.
It's a reasonable expectation that if a company contracts production that the contracted company will not steal that design or over-produce the product for sale separately.
I hope that these continued tactics don't affect more of our favorite performance companies (not to mention the electronic companies.)
You'll notice that I didn't say all Chinese people are to blame. Just the people who make the decisions to partake in these dirty business practices.
The sad thing is China has a lot of talented people with the technical know how of how to produce quality products of their own design. I just wish more Chinese companies would do so.
