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Old Oct 16, 2007, 07:52 PM
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milo dynoed, and so did slowcar right after him. we even posted a video of milos first dyno time in a thread earlier they have the plots and the numbers.
Old Oct 16, 2007, 08:01 PM
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i'm in seattle, will post them when i get back to austin
Old Oct 17, 2007, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Evoryder
All this meth and no dyno time or videos....
Bwuahahahahah.........cuz it really never happened
Old Oct 17, 2007, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
i'm in seattle, will post them when i get back to austin
Come help me sort out my hsf-1 lol but seriously...
Old Oct 17, 2007, 08:05 AM
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What's the purpose of that much meth? Seems more trouble than it's worth unless you are running a huge turbo and absolutely refuse to use race gas?
Old Oct 18, 2007, 05:19 AM
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My thinking is to run as little as possible to achieve your purposes. That way there is less risk in case there is a problem with the kit (because you don't have to tune as aggressively), and you also are going to be using less alcohol (lower cost, less extra weight and fire hazard in the car, etc.). In addition, I really question delivering too much fuel via the throttle body. The intake manifold was designed to evenly distribute air to the 4 cylinders. Not sure it will ensure similarly even distribution of an alcohol vapor? Also, even with the DDS3, I think there is a certain amount of additional exposure you have to engine damage when injecting too much. The DDS3 isn't going to cut boost if you are above the minimum WL flow level, which in the case of a big nozzle setup, is going to be way way lower than your flow at max boost and high RPMs. In other words, the flow window gets wider and wider as you inject more and more, and thus the failsafe becomes less and less effective at helping in the event of a condition that reduces flow but doesn't cut it off all together. This is of course an argument for a second AFR or EGT based failsafe like the TTP setup, but not everyone wants to spend on that.
Old Oct 18, 2007, 05:36 AM
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The more meth the more boost you can run. More timing, more power. The meth doesn't just get poured into your manifold ...it atomizes(majority of it) and basically gets carried wherever the air goes...all 4 cylinders.

The only prob some may face is not being able to achieve enough spark for the large amounts of meth(solution; different spark plug setup, ignition amplifier,turn up the boost..etc)

Failsafes have been covered many times. Different options different vendor combos you can do. If you can't afford the failsafe and want to run meth don't waste your time. Meth is a like a big turbo kit and the owner says, "i want to only run 18psi"

MEth is a MUCH cheaper alternative to race gas, if you have purchased the failsafes.
Old Oct 18, 2007, 08:46 AM
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Are you mixing any upper cylinder lub in with your mixture? I would think running that much would take a toll at your lubrication and cause wear fairly quickly unless you are.
Old Oct 18, 2007, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by GTVEVO
Are you mixing any upper cylinder lub in with your mixture? I would think running that much would take a toll at your lubrication and cause wear fairly quickly unless you are.
? you mean adding water? or oil?
Old Oct 18, 2007, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
I am running 2 X 1.0mm aquamist jets - flows ~1000cc/min or 16gph

KevinD tuned my car this past saturday - with that much meth, you really have to go upwards of 12.0AFR and beyond to make power because of the cooling effect

maybe KevinD can chime in
I am actually surprised that the guy with one of the most advanced systems available knows little about how to actually tune it correctly.
Old Oct 18, 2007, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
I am actually surprised that the guy with one of the most advanced systems available knows little about how to actually tune it correctly.
I'm sure he knows enough of how it works but rather let the pro's like you and Kev handle the straight line effect.
Old Oct 18, 2007, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
I am actually surprised that the guy with one of the most advanced systems available knows little about how to actually tune it correctly.
there is a reason you dont see me in the ecuflash forum BUT here

how about some tuning advice for me?
Old Oct 18, 2007, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by aboh6leenz
Come help me sort out my hsf-1 lol but seriously...
lol....i did not see this early, was "kicking back" here in seattle the last 36 hrs

will be going in 2 hrs...post your question here and you will get your solution
Old Oct 18, 2007, 10:25 AM
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There are various factors including actual cc/min flow, EGT temps and such that affect the target AFR you want to achieve.
Old Oct 18, 2007, 10:32 AM
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i run the same setup as your race car - on @10psig up, off below 10psig.



flow rate is 16gph constant

no egt - to lazy to drill manifold

afr now hovers 12.0 +/- 0.3 WOT

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