Another Alchy Article in Turbo Mag
Nov 6, 2007 | 04:59 PM
#1
Another Alchy Article in Turbo Mag
In the Jan. 08 addition. It covers the FJO alky kit. The article states a couple facts about water injection, less detonation potential.... and goes on to say the following...
"What about water/methanol injection? Adding methanol to the mix simply multiplies the effectiveness of water injection. The byproduct of water mixed with methanol is an oxygenated fuel, which further increases the benefits just outlined. Generally a 30 to 40 % methanol mix yields the best overall results, although small gains can be made by going as high as 50 %. Since methanol has a lower detonation point than gasoline, going higher than 50 % can actually increase detonation. "
I bolded the comment I take acception to. How can methanol have a higher octane rating, yet raise detonation potential? Sales pitch, or any truth to high methanol ratios leading to more detonation???? I always thought Turbo had their technical aspect close to spot on, but print like this makes me wonder sometimes.
"What about water/methanol injection? Adding methanol to the mix simply multiplies the effectiveness of water injection. The byproduct of water mixed with methanol is an oxygenated fuel, which further increases the benefits just outlined. Generally a 30 to 40 % methanol mix yields the best overall results, although small gains can be made by going as high as 50 %. Since methanol has a lower detonation point than gasoline, going higher than 50 % can actually increase detonation. "
I bolded the comment I take acception to. How can methanol have a higher octane rating, yet raise detonation potential? Sales pitch, or any truth to high methanol ratios leading to more detonation???? I always thought Turbo had their technical aspect close to spot on, but print like this makes me wonder sometimes.
Nov 6, 2007 | 05:04 PM
#2
In the Jan. 08 addition. It covers the FJO alky kit. The article states a couple facts about water injection, less detonation potential.... and goes on to say the following...
"What about water/methanol injection? Adding methanol to the mix simply multiplies the effectiveness of water injection. The byproduct of water mixed with methanol is an oxygenated fuel, which further increases the benefits just outlined. Generally a 30 to 40 % methanol mix yields the best overall results, although small gains can be made by going as high as 50 %. Since methanol has a lower detonation point than gasoline, going higher than 50 % can actually increase detonation. "
I bolded the comment I take acception to. How can methanol have a higher octane rating, yet raise detonation potential? Sales pitch, or any truth to high methanol ratios leading to more detonation???? I always thought Turbo had their technical aspect close to spot on, but print like this makes me wonder sometimes.
"What about water/methanol injection? Adding methanol to the mix simply multiplies the effectiveness of water injection. The byproduct of water mixed with methanol is an oxygenated fuel, which further increases the benefits just outlined. Generally a 30 to 40 % methanol mix yields the best overall results, although small gains can be made by going as high as 50 %. Since methanol has a lower detonation point than gasoline, going higher than 50 % can actually increase detonation. "
I bolded the comment I take acception to. How can methanol have a higher octane rating, yet raise detonation potential? Sales pitch, or any truth to high methanol ratios leading to more detonation???? I always thought Turbo had their technical aspect close to spot on, but print like this makes me wonder sometimes.
Nov 6, 2007 | 05:54 PM
#3
I talked to FJO about their kit. They are new to the water injection thing. They designed a very nice kit. It is bullet proof design even more so than an aquamist kit. But it is a software tuned kit. Very complex in getting it programmed compared to the simplicity of aquamist kit. The price is around 1000 for everything. Best quality available per usual FJO.
They put a kit on a V8 car that makes 1600hp and runs 8.50s at 170mph. Impressive yes, but look at pump gas drags. There are cars running that time with just straight 93 octane.
Their results are nothing more than a volume based result. When injecting a limited amount of fluid ,10% or less of total fuel, water or water and small amounts meth will give best results. When injecting large amounts, 25% and more straight meth becomes a better choice. You can only inject so much water before it destroys power. There is no limit like that when injecting methanol. You can run an engine entirely on meth and make 20% more power than race fuel. How much power would you make running an engine only on water?
They put a kit on a V8 car that makes 1600hp and runs 8.50s at 170mph. Impressive yes, but look at pump gas drags. There are cars running that time with just straight 93 octane.
Their results are nothing more than a volume based result. When injecting a limited amount of fluid ,10% or less of total fuel, water or water and small amounts meth will give best results. When injecting large amounts, 25% and more straight meth becomes a better choice. You can only inject so much water before it destroys power. There is no limit like that when injecting methanol. You can run an engine entirely on meth and make 20% more power than race fuel. How much power would you make running an engine only on water?
Nov 6, 2007 | 06:20 PM
#5
I talked to FJO about their kit. They are new to the water injection thing. They designed a very nice kit. It is bullet proof design even more so than an aquamist kit. But it is a software tuned kit. Very complex in getting it programmed compared to the simplicity of aquamist kit. The price is around 1000 for everything. Best quality available per usual FJO.
They put a kit on a V8 car that makes 1600hp and runs 8.50s at 170mph. Impressive yes, but look at pump gas drags. There are cars running that time with just straight 93 octane.
Their results are nothing more than a volume based result. When injecting a limited amount of fluid ,10% or less of total fuel, water or water and small amounts meth will give best results. When injecting large amounts, 25% and more straight meth becomes a better choice. You can only inject so much water before it destroys power. There is no limit like that when injecting methanol. You can run an engine entirely on meth and make 20% more power than race fuel. How much power would you make running an engine only on water?
They put a kit on a V8 car that makes 1600hp and runs 8.50s at 170mph. Impressive yes, but look at pump gas drags. There are cars running that time with just straight 93 octane.
Their results are nothing more than a volume based result. When injecting a limited amount of fluid ,10% or less of total fuel, water or water and small amounts meth will give best results. When injecting large amounts, 25% and more straight meth becomes a better choice. You can only inject so much water before it destroys power. There is no limit like that when injecting methanol. You can run an engine entirely on meth and make 20% more power than race fuel. How much power would you make running an engine only on water?
Nov 7, 2007 | 05:59 AM
#6
I would like more info on this. From the web site its using the small Shurflo pump with a heat sink and a solenoid and a progressive controller and some fittings and lines.
Not looking to cause issues but theres a bunch of progressive based W/A systems out there. With so much competition because of all of kits sometimes BEST or more advanced gets used too loosely...........the progressive W/A injection kit market is saturated with kits and claims.
I can not comment on the article since I've yet to read the entire thing but from whats posted I think the writer got something a little wrong as a result of being a third party involved and not understanding things 100%..........the way he/she wrote it came out wrong.
Not looking to cause issues but theres a bunch of progressive based W/A systems out there. With so much competition because of all of kits sometimes BEST or more advanced gets used too loosely...........the progressive W/A injection kit market is saturated with kits and claims.
I can not comment on the article since I've yet to read the entire thing but from whats posted I think the writer got something a little wrong as a result of being a third party involved and not understanding things 100%..........the way he/she wrote it came out wrong.
Nov 7, 2007 | 12:23 PM
#7
from the website, the system consist of:
- an ordinary stainless steel solenoid valve
- stainless steel swagelok fittings
- bete pj series atomizing nozzle
- a shurflo, in by-pass mode like the aquamist hfs pump
- an ordinary stainless steel solenoid valve
- stainless steel swagelok fittings
- bete pj series atomizing nozzle
- a shurflo, in by-pass mode like the aquamist hfs pump
